2013-01-20, 10:38 | Link #901 |
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IIRC, the Japanese casuals have a rather low opinion of anime. To them, it's something that only kids, teenagers and manchildren watch. Manga can be read at all ages, anime can not. Which is why a live action adaptation is prefered by prods if they really want to reach a very wide audience, outside of the usualy niche.
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2013-01-20, 11:01 | Link #902 | |
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I guess I don't really understand what the major difference is between manga & anime that would make one more accepting for adults & not the other. Although really I don't understand why something in live action is automatically okay for adults when it's the same story being told in animation or in comics here either. I guess I don't understand how people think. It should be the content of the story and not the medium that matters (although heck as an adult I don't care and will watch things for children if it tells a good story).
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Shin Sekai Yori is a problematic case, I think. Who precisely is the audience for this show? People who have already read the novel might be interested in seeing the adaptation, but that doesn't mean they'll go out and spend many thousands of yen to buy it. I've already documented above that the anime's release did little to boost the novel's sales. There's also the fact that the story itself is quite disturbing and, so far at least, somewhat depressing. Adults like me are probably fine with that, but it's not the kind of material that would appeal to people looking for some light entertainment. I'm pretty sure that audience segment substantially outnumbers the people willing to watch something as dark as Shin Sekai Yori.
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2013-01-20, 11:04 | Link #904 | |
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2013-01-20, 11:18 | Link #907 | |
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2013-01-20, 11:23 | Link #908 | |
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2013-01-20, 11:24 | Link #909 | |
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But I guess it's the same here with super hero comics vs live action movie adaptions. I just don't understand how people think.
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2013-01-20, 11:30 | Link #910 | |
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The way you guys talk it's as if Hyouka didn't exist and hadn't sold well, while watching Biblia Koshodou no Jiken Techou I was really reminded of Hyouka and thought "I so wish I could get a kyoani version of this" if only because kyoani would have a better OST and know how to use it properly unlike the drama.
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I know this,I understand it,I accept it because I know there's nothing I can do about it.However I do see a very good reason why you could get an anime alongside a live action adaptation:an anime production company thinks they could make money by making that anime. Take Liar Game,the dramas have a huge audience but that wouldn't matter if a production company like aniplex thought an anime reboot that sticks closer to the manga could sell,I don't think the success of the live action version is stopping the anime from being made,it's that no anime company believes there's money to be made making one. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I sometimes feel stuck in the middle between "mainstream fans who don't watch anime" and "anime fans who don't have the same taste as the mainstream" Don't get me wrong though,I have no trouble finding animes to enjoy but it is frustrating when you really like a manga and you know there's little chance it gets an anime adaptation and you'll have to settle for a live action one.
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2013-01-20, 11:31 | Link #911 | ||
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I suppose it seems ironic that this combination gives you the more "niche" taste in this anime market but, by the same token, it does seem to make sense.
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2013-01-20, 11:50 | Link #912 | |
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2013-01-20, 11:59 | Link #913 | |
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Please note I think both countries view are silly & misfounded and it should be the content not the medium that is judged.
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2013-01-20, 12:02 | Link #914 | |
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2013-01-20, 14:02 | Link #915 | |||
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Maybe they do get a kick out of it, I don't know. I think most of the buyer market could hardly care about what I think honestly. Especially when they are interested in many shows that would make them socially estranged in their country. Quote:
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2013-01-20, 15:11 | Link #916 | ||
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Though to be fair the one person I know who has dropped either dropped SSY, and did so during what I felt was one of the show's weakest points -episode 6-7 area, I think?. Quote:
Could a more diverse disc-buying market have helped mitigate those factors. Perhaps, but I don't get the impression that selling TV series on discs in Japan is all that easy regardless of price, possibly due to things like limited storage space encouraging renting as opposed to owning. There is data for a few priced-down reissues in the sales thread - it's not exactly inspiring from what I remember. IMO, getting a broader audience is probably going to require some changes in business model much more significant than a disc price adjustment.
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2013-01-20, 17:53 | Link #917 | |||
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That said, I would point out that, since the bubble burst, the market has been slowly recovering/stabilizing, and I think recent seasons have shown a fairly robust variety in productions. Quote:
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One thing that has been fairly successful over the last few years has been OADs, which play on the larger acceptability of manga and just pitches itself as a "Limited Edition". People who were going to buy the book anyway may be willing to shell out a bit extra to get the version with the bundled anime disc. But of course, this only works when anime is an extension of an existing popular work, so it doesn't necessarily expand the overall market for anime as far as themes and target audiences go. Perhaps call me cynical in this regard, but I'm a bit doubtful that there really is a large adult market out there who has the potential for a long-term sustained interest in choosing anime as a medium over other more popular "mainstream" entertainment choices, whether in Japan or elsewhere. In other words: I think anime for adults will always be a niche, and I don't really see that as a "problem" as much as a reality. Anime is just one part of the entertainment industry, so I think people who love the medium so much that they choose to focus on it to the exclusion of other media choices will always find the content somewhat constrained.
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2013-01-20, 19:39 | Link #918 | |
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What is true is that manga has a much broader audience than anime does. While anime has a broad demographic, it's selective - pretty much everybody reads manga, with no demographic group excluded. That's why experimentation is so much more common in manga than in the anime industry today - that and the simple fact that it costs less to publish a manga than produce an anime. It's not as much of a financial risk, and you don't have to reach a huge audience for it to be profitable.
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2013-01-20, 20:14 | Link #919 | |
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So I don't think I'm totally disagreeing with your point... but I think it all depends on where you're coming from when you make the statement. A lot of people watch some anime, but there's also a lot of anime that's aimed to the hardcore market, and a distinction is generally made at least on the "public face". (In the end, I honestly don't think it's so different from the way cartoons are seen in the West today. It's okay to watch Pixar films or certain mainstream cartoons like The Simpsons, but "Bronies" still have a negative reputation.)
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2013-01-20, 21:19 | Link #920 |
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What I'm mainly disagreeing with is the notion that there's a stigma attached to anime generally speaking - there isn't - or that only Ghibli or Eva is considered respectable. I don't disagree that the average adult Japanese isn't going to admit to watching Oreimo or Haganai, or attend Comiket and talk about it at the office the next day. But in terms of mainstream anime - and I mean shows like SSY, Chihayafuru, NoitaminA series and the like, not just Ghibli, One Piece or kid shows - I haven't seen any indication that there's any sense of embarrassment attached. That's because animation isn't viewed the same here as it is in America (France also fits into this description, I would argue). It's just another medium, full of work that spans both the quality and thematic spectrum from end to end, and the mindset about it can't be conveniently packed into a one-size-fits-all box.
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