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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 25 (END) Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 263 | 62.17% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 68 | 16.08% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 37 | 8.75% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 23 | 5.44% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 12 | 2.84% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 0.71% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.24% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.24% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.24% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 3.31% | |
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2009-03-29, 02:17 | Link #462 | |
stuck in a harem genre
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Obviously, the tsundre character, but also long hair, the "flat chest" issue, her height (although Louise's height is considered normal in ZnT I think), they both of nicknames, both have issues with their parents, bad reputation to a better reputation. Kind of like Louise in the real world. I honestly think it's a valid comment. |
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2009-03-29, 03:29 | Link #463 | |
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For a little discussion on the last scenes, note how it mirrors the scenes from the beginning of the series. I guess the animation staff decided to use this stylistic ending to invite some comparison and contrast:
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But then... I see the problem boils down to personal expectations. I guess there's no need to argue further. |
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2009-03-29, 03:47 | Link #464 |
Baka Inu~
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Thinking about it, the ending is just like what happened in Episode 4.
Ryuuji meets with Taiga up on the roof, where she has a tender moment talking about Kitamura. Then after thinking about it, she tries to kick into Ryuuji in the face with all of her might saying: "WHAT EMBARRASSING THINGS HAVE YOU MADE ME SAY, YOU PERVERTED DOG!?" What happened at the end of that for me is in the same vein as this. Uncomfortable. |
2009-03-29, 07:34 | Link #468 |
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I feel kinds disappointed, normally I would give the creators credit for doing something a bit different, albeit with the same end result but here I just felt like a lot of stuff was left out. At one point I thought Minori was a lesbo and I kind of wish she had been. Minori and Ami weren't explored enough is show resulting in no real challenge to Taiga's bid for Ryuuji's affection. I guess my real problem is I never wanted Taiga and Ryuuji to end up together. Maybe my expectations were too high but man I sure am underwhelmed by the ending.
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2009-03-29, 08:20 | Link #469 |
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We talked about it when the show first came on, but I didn't feel like comparisons to ZnT really work. Yeah she hits him but the way ZnT uses that violence is to reset development to the "I like you but won't say it" position. The violence in Toradora is more low-key slapstick and doesn't affect the story. You also said "Traits", one archetype doesn't really be counted multiple times. Yeah you could say both were handled by the same studio but that can't be helped and they're by different teams.
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2009-03-29, 08:25 | Link #470 |
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it'soverit'soverwhywhywhywhywhywhywhy
I don't know how I can add anything else. For every one flamer, three posters rise to fight the good fight XD It's great how everyone resolved the whole Yasuko out-of-character debate. I for one, was never taken in by that smile she put on throughout the series. When she found Ryuuji with Taiga's mom, without her makeup, I thought to myself - "Nice to finally meet you. It's too bad it's under such sad circumstances." Wonderful lovecom that surprised the heck out of me. Someone wrote earlier that that once the message has been delivered, the story is over. Well, in this case, the message sounds so damn good, I wouldn't mind hearing it again and again and again Toradora OVA please? More novels...please...!? But I understand that the author doesn't have to write anymore - shouldn't have to write more. She told the story she wanted to tell. There really is closure. It's all about faith - you can expect those two to end up, no matter what. Their whole relationship was the basis of the series. Any feelings I have that feel there should be more come not from an "Is that it?!" reasoning, but a "Oh god, I know it's over but please give me more!" kind of thing. Someone even explained the role of birds in the story. Great direction and a great storyteller...they've produced a monster of a series. It's over. Remember, crying is a nosebleed of the heart! It was great, all definitely a series to recommend. |
2009-03-29, 10:20 | Link #472 | |
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the OLD taiga would get embarrassed, hurt Ryuuji, then say something along the lines of "What are you saying you stupid mongrel!" but instead, in the end, she says "Why would you say sometimes as embarrassing like that!? You should have waited for a better mood or something..." her physical response is the same Taiga, but she doesn't act like the old Taiga with the way she talks to Ryuuji anymore. she WANTED to hear him say "I love you" just not in their old classroom after finding her in that locker. anyways, the point is, that people can change a LOT, they can change the way they dress, the way they talk, the people they associate with, but there will STILL be certain things about them, that never will change. for taiga, one of those things is how she deals with extreme embarrassment
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2009-03-29, 10:52 | Link #474 | |
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2009-03-29, 11:43 | Link #475 |
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Whatever you may think of Kugimaya Rie - and it's obvious she's a beloved figure otherwise she wouldn't keep getting lead roles in hugely popular series - it's hard to understand how anyone wouldn't see the massive similarities from role to role. It's the same performance, the same character, hell, even the same physical appearance for the most part - with a few minor differences. She's a one-woman anime trope - a character who acts a certain way and gets animated a certain way. If you think Taiga is any different you're seeing black cats in dark rooms that aren't there.
As for Ami, well - if you think she was predictable you stopped really watching her about episode 12.
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2009-03-29, 12:17 | Link #476 |
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I'm not saying she's predictable, I'm saying it's just as easy to label the characters as such and outright dismiss them otherwise the same way you are (wrongly) doing to Taiga. Singling out Taiga doesn't suddenly make the other two characters better off somehow.
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2009-03-29, 12:25 | Link #477 |
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They're better because they're better - my opinion. How can someone be better if not relative to someone else? I label Ami and Minorin as interesting and surprising because to me, they were - and Taiga as boring and predictable for the same reason. After watching even a single episode of SHnS, ZnT (shudder), etc. I felt like I knew exactly what Taiga would do in every scene, and how every line would sound. I label Horie Yui as a great seiyuu because for me, she finds depths and subtleties that go way beyond the obvious nature of her characters. That's my opinion.
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2009-03-29, 12:29 | Link #478 |
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You can say it's always the same character but.... how are Shana and Louise similar (Shana is pretty nice to Yuji outside of training)? In Toradora there's a lot of physical comedy so that comparison stands but people just take for granted that all the roles are the same when after actually looking at the characters it doesn't really stand up as well. The three main roles she's known for as a "Loli-Tsundere" are this, Shana, and Zero. Zero is tsun-heavily, Shana leaning much stronger to the dere-side. Taiga's kind of a middle ground, going heavily to sweet in the last third of the series.
And she really does play the characters differently by the way. I made the same connection you did after the first episode but she's definitely using a deeper voice for Taiga than she has in the past. See what I mean? |
2009-03-29, 12:31 | Link #480 |
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I honestly don't understand your point. How is one supposed to state an opinion without, well - stating it? There's no arithmetical formula to show that Horie Yui is a better VA than Kugimiya Rie or that Taiga is predictable - this isn't calculus, it's art.
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