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Old 2014-10-31, 03:43   Link #61
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When one of the workers had a nail gun and thought to use it on the old men to put and end to the madness, The cop lady uttered the dumbest statist thing ever "don't use it, I will save everyone"!!. Seriously, you are tied up half naked. people are dying while you are still helpless and you stop the one guy who could easily put an end to all this and telling him essentially to wait for the police, because "only the police can help save people".
This has to do with how the Sibyl system works. If the guy shoots the nail gun and attempts to harm or kill the old man, his crime coefficient or hue will shoot up high. He will then become a target for elimination by the MWPSB. Hence, she was "saving" the guy by preventing him from becoming a criminal in the eyes of Sibyl.

As for why inspector Aoyanagi kept on going back to trying to use her Dominator, it is because only Sibyl is allowed to judge a criminal and about liability. If she acted without Sibyl, she then becomes a criminal herself. Sibyl is the judge and executioner. The inspectors follow the system, although they do have limited judgement ability to not do anything or not follow the judgement.

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In short: the problem for Sibyl is that both doing something and doing nothing can challenge their rule. So as it turns out, their response after Makishima was not to change the system.
I think this perfectly describes what is happening with season 2.

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The fact that the new assault dominator can't identify the target when the old one could is the worst kind of plot driven writing. It makes no sense at all that it can scan for someone's PP but not identify them. It's done just to generate cheap melodrama and angst with Aoyanagi.
There is no line of sight. The assault dominator could only scan the crime coefficient through walls, but it could not visually identify who it is scanning. Think of it like scanning using infrared; you can't identify who it is. Normal dominators identify the target through direct line of sight.

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Also, what kind of sheep are these hostages? He didn't even have a gun. Why the heck didn't you all rush him? The guy was an elderly asthmatic for goodness sake! I understand being scared and shocked, but shouldn't some our your fighting survival instincts have begun to kick in?
Again, this has to do with the way the system works and how society has adapted to it. No ordinary citizen can assault anyone, even if it is in self-defense. Once they do, their crime coefficient will increase, and they become a target for elimination. Everyone is most concerned about their hue changing colors. In the end, you saw what happened when everyone's crime coefficient was high. They were eliminated by the MWPSB.
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This is going to be a key episode moving forward into the series. The drugs mentioned in the episode, it seems it accelerates to what Sibyl is doing to its people in order to keep their Psycho Pass within limits.

The lack of common sense (from our perspective) had already been shown on multiple occasions way back in season 1 so no point in questioning some of the actions in this episode. But for how long can humans live like puppets devoid of their free will and emotions? Such a system will have a breaking point and Kamui may just be banking on that to get rid of it. His various experiments are probably just means of achieving his goals faster.

The events in season 1 and a few in this one must have forced the Sibyl system to come up with the new guns, that might actually work in Kamui's favor later on. He may be able to figure out certain hacks with the dominators that even Sibyl might not be aware of.

In a twisted world such as this, if one just flips the chessboard, Kamui does indeed look like a savior. With both Kamui and Akane trying their different ways to change the current system, I wonder what kind of conversation they will have when they meet face-to-face for the very first time.
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Old 2014-10-31, 05:14   Link #63
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The system relies on recruiting new irregulars. The irregulars are true and complete super sociopaths. The Overlords want them to exist. It's already been stated.

The system is meant to keep brains like theirs in power and to make them boil to the top when they're born.

The Sybil system is managed by sociopaths. The psychiatric measurements are based on their calculations. The system is not designed for keeping people like them under control. If it were, it would threaten them if a weapon was ever pointed at them. The Sybil system detects irregulars by not detecting them.

The Overlords are also super intellectual. In the end, they protect the system but if they are defeated, they might accept their inferiority. They're super cocky and don't think 1 man or woman can take on all of them.
That is not what i get out of season 1 psycho pass. Quite different from what i interpreted. They do not desire irregulars to exist.

The Sibyl system is incapable of calculating the criminal intent of Makishima even with the collective processing of the brains, which in the end caused Makishima to be asymptomatic . They lacks the understanding of Makishima thinking process. Sibyl know they are flawed and must prevent the same thing from happening again. And the solution they come up with is that they need Makishima's brain to detect future people with Makishima's thinking.

So Sibyl desperately need Makishima brain to improve the system (to evolve). So Sybil would even bend some of its own rules to prevent Kogami from killing Makishima. Is ironic that Sibyl needs to assimilate asymptomatic criminals to prevent asymptomatic criminals from occurring but ultimate motive is to prevent irregulars from existing, not for irregulars to exist.

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Old 2014-10-31, 06:25   Link #64
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Bloody as Hell, that's for sure...

Still, for this little intrigue, it is pretty well crafted. Also... I honestly don't see what's wrong with Akane investigating it further like she does, because we're talking about someone even MORE dangerous than the last criminal.
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What did I miss? I did blame Sybil for the Inspectors and Enforcers shortcomings.
The person I replied to when I came into this discussion was focused solely on the enforcers and inspectors. Some of your earlier posts after I first joined were as well. If that's not what you intended to imply, then that's fine: it just means my point there weren't really directed at you. So apologies for quoting you.


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If the system was that perfect, they wouldn't need Enforcers and Inspectors to pull the trigger, which means Sybil already acknowledged in public that the system needs humans in the equation in order to be effective.
So I really question the fact that they don't give any other means to deal with their targets.
Triple_R explains perfectly and in more detail the reasons for my response to the issues you raised, including this one.
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Again, this has to do with the way the system works and how society has adapted to it. No ordinary citizen can assault anyone, even if it is in self-defense. Once they do, their crime coefficient will increase, and they become a target for elimination. Everyone is most concerned about their hue changing colors. In the end, you saw what happened when everyone's crime coefficient was high. They were eliminated by the MWPSB.
I don't know, I still think a person's innate instinct to fight for their own survival would kick in at some point. The need to survive usually supersedes any sort of notion in regards to what could happen later, or what society will think, of if their hue would change, or anything like that, usually trying to live is paramount.

It reminds me of an old episode of CSI where it was found that one guy was sick and delusional and violent on a plane and while everyone first tried to deal with the guy in a civil manner eventually it got to the point that he was going to open the door to the plane in midair and kill them all. At that point, the atmosphere in the plane had become so tense and crazy that all the other passengers were on edge. When the man did that, they all flipped and all killed the man together in order to save themselves.

I mean, all those times that the guy was taking a break breathing oxygen? All the guys didn't want to attack together? He might get one, but all of you? And how strong is this elderly guy that he could smash a guy's skull by only stepping on it a couple of times?
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Sybil Japan is clearly rooted in the idea that hues and crime coefficients have 100% overlap with actual criminality. No exceptions. I mean, that's precisely why folks like Makishima must be made to "disappear", and ideally absorbed into Sibyl itself.

So arming Enforcers and Inspectors with something other than a dominator could easily come across as a tacit admission that hues/CCs do not necessarily have 100% overlap with actual criminality. It would be a tacit admission that Enforcers and Inspectors are able to determine what constitutes criminality all on their own.
It seems you and Karice are missing a point I've made for a while: I didn't say Sybil should have armed Inspectors and Enforcers to bypass dominator weakness exploit at all, since the latter "shouldn't know" there is a weakness to begin with.

What I found asinine is that Sybil didn't make up for possible issues inherent of the humans themselves, hence why I used examples above.
So far, Enforcers and Inspectors are simply shooting individuals that are within law enforcement procedures, but don't do anything if their CC is too low. But that also means that if they are dismared at some point, they are sitting ducks against a valid target for the dominator, since S2 shows clearly they don't have any natural response the moment they can't use the dominator.

The whole point is that they had to train Enforcer and Inspectors to a degree that they can deal with criminals without the dominator (but still judge them afterwards with the dominator as their procedure dictates so), simply because they cannot expect criminals to stay obedient. For instance, even if we assume that Kamui's follower was a valid target for enforcement, there was no telling if Aoyanagi would have been tackled down by the robot dog or not.
I initially thought Enforcers were able to do so due to how Kogami and Masaoka could handle criminals physically, but other enforcers attitude didn't really follow suit, so I consider the former two as exceptions.

In short: I was expecting Sybil to actually makes the MWPSB officers to be able to deal with people without the dominator (due to how they are humans, and de facto, can fail law enforcement besides cymatic scan being faulty), and as a by-product, the latter could be able to deal with asymptomatic criminals, under the guise that the dominator was broken or whatever excuse they see fit. This excuse should have been used several times already considering the sheer number of asymptomatic criminals brains present in the sybil system, meaning that a lot of instances with the dominator unable to do anything occured.
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There is no line of sight. The assault dominator could only scan the crime coefficient through walls, but it could not visually identify who it is scanning. Think of it like scanning using infrared; you can't identify who it is. Normal dominators identify the target through direct line of sight.
Why is line of sight required? As I understand it, brain wave patterns are unique, and with street PP scanners in place a database can be built matching a face to a brain pattern. I know the way PP scans work were not made explicit, but surely brain wave patterns would be one of the things read. So if a dominator can scan a brain for a crime coefficient, it should be able to identify them too.

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I don't know, I still think a person's innate instinct to fight for their own survival would kick in at some point. The need to survive usually supersedes any sort of notion in regards to what could happen later, or what society will think, of if their hue would change, or anything like that, usually trying to live is paramount.

It reminds me of an old episode of CSI where it was found that one guy was sick and delusional and violent on a plane and while everyone first tried to deal with the guy in a civil manner eventually it got to the point that he was going to open the door to the plane in midair and kill them all. At that point, the atmosphere in the plane had become so tense and crazy that all the other passengers were on edge. When the man did that, they all flipped and all killed the man together in order to save themselves.

I mean, all those times that the guy was taking a break breathing oxygen? All the guys didn't want to attack together? He might get one, but all of you? And how strong is this elderly guy that he could smash a guy's skull by only stepping on it a couple of times?
People are fundamentally animals. We like to fool ourselves with the polite fiction that we're more evolved, more sophisticated than that, but that is a lie. The fight/flight survival instincts are incredibly strong primitive responses that exists in everyone. No amount of social conditioning can change that, IMO.

In S1, the bystanders watching that woman beaten to death were callous, but they also didn't feel in danger themselves. And when the citizens did feel threatened, they lashed out. So yeah, I find a scenario where a bunch of people can be held hostage in a locked room against one old man (that needs an oxygen tank) with a baton (not a gun, not an electrified version that can act as a tazer) where the hostages have reason to believe they're in imminent danger of death will act so passively... utterly unbelievable. Even in Sibyl Japan.

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The whole point is that they had to train Enforcer and Inspectors to a degree that they can deal with criminals without the dominator (but still judge them afterwards with the dominator as their procedure dictates so), simply because they cannot expect criminals to stay obedient. For instance, even if we assume that Kamui's follower was a valid target for enforcement, there was no telling if Aoyanagi would have been tackled down by the robot dog or not.
Completely agree with this. The point is that most inspectors/enforcers are completely helpless if they can't use a Dominator. I'm not talking about the relatively rare occasions where a Dominator malfunctioned or can't be used. I can understand if the system fails on certain edge cases/black swan events. But in this case, all the criminal needs to do is disarm them or get into melee range! There're lots of possiblities. Like, get an inspector/enforcer alone when they've split up to search for you, ambush them with a makeshift weapon in hand. Or use robo-dogs, which seems to be available to civilians. It's like all the rules were written with the assumption that even the criminals will docilely comply by the rules of civil society.

What exacerbates the situation is how few inspectors & enforcers there are. That conference room with Kasei about the Makishima riots had twenty people in it tops, for the Tokyo metro area. The population of that area as of 2007 is 12.8 million. Even if by the Sibyl era, the population is decreased by war, low birth rates, etc the population should still be in the millions. With so few law enforcement officers, if even a very small percentage of that population rebels, the situation spins quickly out of control as demonstrated by the S1 riots. Why doesn't Sibyl lower the bar to admittance to recruit a larger force? Because right now, these jobs are unpopular (going by what Akane's friends said), have a high bar for entry, high attrition rates due to injury/death/demotion and low numbers to begin with. Anyone can see that's not sustainable.

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In short: I was expecting Sybil to actually makes the MWPSB officers to be able to deal with people without the dominator (due to how they are humans, and de facto, can fail law enforcement besides cymatic scan being faulty), and as a by-product, the latter could be able to deal with asymptomatic criminals, under the guise that the dominator was broken or whatever excuse they see fit. This excuse should have been used several times already considering the sheer number of asymptomatic criminals brains present in the sybil system, meaning that a lot of instances with the dominator unable to do anything occured.
And you're missing the point we are making. I actually agree with you that Sibyl is stupid for not making sure its Inspectors and Enforcers are able to deal with irregulars. But I also understand why Sibyl doesn't want to do that.

Sibyl CHOOSES not to train them to be able to deal with people without the dominator because they believe that it completely undermines the basis of their system. In their cost-benefit analysis, they don't regard one asymptomatic criminal every 1-2 years as problematic for the system in comparison to the problems they think would arise if the system was believed to be imperfect.

Another way to think about it is to consider the evidence that you use to argue that something needs to change. With so many brains, obviously they've had lots of instances where asymptomatic people have caused problems for the system. But perhaps, from their perspective, rather than thinking "we have a problem we need to fix," what they see is that the arrangements in place have taken care of the problem adequately. After all, they got Kouzaburo Touma and added him to the system with the loss of just one enforcer (and one inspector who was demoted to enforcer).

In other words, I think you're just going to have to accept that you and Sibyl don't agree on what they need to do given their goal of maintaining the system. Sibyl obviously thinks that keeping up appearances is worth the cost of a few personnel every year, whereas you seem to think that they should take the risk of allowing their personnel to doubt the efficacy of the system (which is a risk that they seem to want to avoid at all costs). I'd say that it's a pretty realistic difference of opinion, and one that is reflected in the way ideals and ideologies clash in our own world too.
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My problem with that interpretation of Sybil position is that it doesn't make any sense with situations that do NOT involve asymptomatic individuals, and that's with a system logic standard, not a mere society/culture clash, or whatever.

I hate repeating myself, but you didn't provide any convincing argument regarding the lack of logical organization of law enforcement.
Let me get this straight: how MWPSB officers are going to deal with criminals if they are disarmed?

You keep mentioning that Sybil consider the risk of having asymptomatic criminals to have free reign because they cannot be judged by the dominators, but you are missing the very other possibility I keep mentioning: that EVEN legit targets for the dominator can give the MWPSB officers a run for their money, the very moment the latter are deprived of their dominators.

Like I said, they could simply impose a procedure that allow physical actions against a suspect, then use the dominator to deal proper judgement afterwards (however non sensical it is to our society standards, that is).
But as of now, any gang could simply demolish an Inspector and Enforcer couple the moment they can disarm the latter with just sheer numbers, traps, or brawling experience.

For a system like Sybil, it is a glaring oversight that ought to be fixed, simply because it isn't a special case, but simply a possible worst case scenario that do NOT involve Sybil system weakness, but the MWPSB methods themselves.
Really that's like saying IRL cops should not train in self defense and close quarters combat just because they have free use of guns. It is non sense, simply because having an ultimate judgement apparatus doesn't mean it can be used efficiently for numerous reasons past a possible faulty scan.

Therefore, what I'm arguing here isn't the fact Sybil must keep a "perfect system facade" to the public, but rather how lackluster the enforcement of the perfect system is. Providing procedures/means for MWPSB officers to deal with legit targets without the dominator isn't an evidence of the system weakness, but rather supplementing scenarios that the system -cannot- be applied because of the said officers' inability to carry out their duty due to external factors, such as overwhelming forces, traps, whatever that can cripple their ability to even use the dominator.
With such procedures and means available to them, MWPSB officers would also be able to deal with asymptomatic individuals as a by-product. And since we have Sybil with a large collection of irregular brains, it is safe to assume, that up to now they pretended that dominators were faulty, not the system (evidence: they didn't silence officers who witnessed that they couldn't conduct sybil judgment on asymptomatic guys, so they simply used excuses for that).
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And you're missing the point we are making. I actually agree with you that Sibyl is stupid for not making sure its Inspectors and Enforcers are able to deal with irregulars. But I also understand why Sibyl doesn't want to do that.

Sibyl CHOOSES not to train them to be able to deal with people without the dominator because they believe that it completely undermines the basis of their system. In their cost-benefit analysis, they don't regard one asymptomatic criminal every 1-2 years as problematic for the system in comparison to the problems they think would arise if the system was believed to be imperfect.
Agreed.

People and governments often do and tolerate silly/stupid things for reasons of political ideology. That's much the same as what's going on here with Sibyl, in my view.

Sibyl has a particular ideological viewpoint on crime that it's sticking to, no matter what.

The idea is that Inspectors and Enforcers are merely the eyes and hands of Sibyl, and hence they should not be able to act independently from Sibyl's judgements (Sibyl being the brain here). If you armed Inspectors/Enforcers with an old-fashioned handgun, or pepper spray, or a tazer, then the temptation will be there for the Inspectors and/or the Enforcers to enact judgements on the basis of their own personal assessments of a given situation.

Imagine a Sibyl Inspector comes across an altercation between two Sibyl Japan citizens. From the perspective of the Sibyl Inspector, Citizen X may seem like the aggressor and the more criminal of the two. But such a judgement could easily be wrong, and it might actually be the other combatant, Citizen Y, that is the more criminal and at fault. So the dominator system is to prevent Inspectors/Enforcers from making judgement calls of this nature without deferring to Sibyl.

In this episode, we see how this can backfire very, very badly. But to be fair, it's not hard for me to see how the Sibyl system could be the more accurate one in many situations. Cops come across a bar fight that's out of control - Who's most at fault? Are they all at fault? Or is one person a victim relative to the other combatants? Ideally, the CC reading helps to sort these things out. An Enforcer with pepper spray or a tazer or some other old-fashioned weapon might be tempted to just go with his/her gut, and that's precisely what Sibyl is against.

Truth be told, the way Akane does things is very unconventional for Sibyl Japan, and we shouldn't forget that. Gino (in Season 1) and Mika (this season) aren't exactly wrong for taking issue with Akane. Akane's way of doing things runs contrary to some of the core ideas underpinning the entire Sibyl system. Sibyl tolerates it simply because Akane usually, if not always, gets it right.


One final thing to keep in mind is that Sibyl certainly has a strong sense of personal grandeur. Groups like that tend to have an unjustifiably strong sense of invincibility, and hence may not take good precautions against certain threats. Truth be told, it would probably only take a couple dozen US soldiers to conquer the entirety of Sibyl Japan. It's actually a very fragile system that's able to perpetuate itself largely since the populace has been medicated/doped/indoctrinated into being peaceful to a fault (which is another thing we saw in this episode).
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Just to be clear, since it seems both of you are mistaking the issue I was bringing in this thread:

I never questioned Sybil attempt to keep its "perfect facade' in order to have their incontestable authority, which obviously involve handling their own officers in a shaddy way so the latter wouldn't question Sybil.
Likewise, I never stated officers should have old fashioned weapons like what Kogami did.

The whole point is that they obviously need a back up procedures to deal with a scenario where they -cannot- use their dominators for reasons that are out of their control, in a situation that does NOT involve asymptomatic criminals.

The fact this discussion departs to sybil goal talk is just beyond me.
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The whole point is that they obviously need a back up procedures to deal with a scenario where they -cannot- use their dominators for reasons that are out of their control, in a situation that does NOT involve asymptomatic criminals.
I assume that's what droids are for if a situation totally gets out of control. Admittedly, it's a bit strange that the droids aren't stronger and/or more numerous.
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Isn't the whole point of having Inspectors so the people can put a human face to Sybil and embrace it? Once you switch to droids being equal to Inspectors, you get Terminator levels of terror.
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Due to how Mika was portrayed from the very beginning, the Inspectors and Enforcers are no better than drones in term of potential terror in the lot.
Only Akane avoids using immediate enforcement procedures, whereas every one else (be it Mika, Aoyanagi, Division 3 etc) didn't question Sybil at all.

To be honest, I found no difference between drones and MWPSB officers. In fact, drones would have way less margin of error, but I guess that's just me.
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Sibyl CHOOSES not to train them to be able to deal with people without the dominator because they believe that it completely undermines the basis of their system. In their cost-benefit analysis, they don't regard one asymptomatic criminal every 1-2 years as problematic for the system in comparison to the problems they think would arise if the system was believed to be imperfect.
After the events of the first season where Sibyl was almost taken down, how are we supposed to buy that? It's not only about asymptomatic people. There was the whole incident with the helmets that made it impossible to use the dominators. Inspectors and enforcers were completely helpless back then and the whole system came close to destruction. I find it very hard to believe a system that has been shown to be eager to learn and improve itself wouldn't have fixed such a glaring flaw. Unlike what somebody else suggested, inspectors and enforcers are vital for Sibyl. They're its arms and legs, without them, Sibyl can't do anything. Their first priority should be to teach them how to defend themselves and not rely solely on their dominators. I think it's a very serious problem that the exact same events as the first season are repeating themselves and Sibyl has no counterplan whatsoever. If you have to choose between undermining the system a tiny bit and the threat of its complete destruction, you don't really have to think twice. I don't even see how it's a such a problem to give inspectors the means to defend themselves. It should be a well known fact to every citizen by now that Sibyl isn't 100% flawless (there were riots everywhere two years ago), so they'd probably be happy to know there are countermeasures put in place in the rare (lol) chances it fails. It would make them feel safer. Besides, there's a reason Sibyl uses humans instead of drones (who would do just as good a job). It's part of the propaganda. Thinking humans are still the ones in charge in the end is what makes this system acceptable to people, so there's no issue with giving them a bit more power.

Nothing has changed since the first season and the series is still using the same tropes. I have to wonder: what's the point of it all? What are they trying to tell us that the first season hasn't already? So far, this season is little more than a rehash of the first. Not very well written, at that. Every character save for Akane, Gino and Yayoi are caricatures. Aoyanagi can't use her brain properly, Division three is full drones and Mika is made to be as detestable as possible.

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Imagine a Sibyl Inspector comes across an altercation between two Sibyl Japan citizens. From the perspective of the Sibyl Inspector, Citizen X may seem like the aggressor and the more criminal of the two. But such a judgement could easily be wrong, and it might actually be the other combatant, Citizen Y, that is the more criminal and at fault. So the dominator system is to prevent Inspectors/Enforcers from making judgement calls of this nature without deferring to Sibyl.

In this episode, we see how this can backfire very, very badly. But to be fair, it's not hard for me to see how the Sibyl system could be the more accurate one in many situations. Cops come across a bar fight that's out of control - Who's most at fault? Are they all at fault? Or is one person a victim relative to the other combatants? Ideally, the CC reading helps to sort these things out. An Enforcer with pepper spray or a tazer or some other old-fashioned weapon might be tempted to just go with his/her gut, and that's precisely what Sibyl is against.
After what we've just witnessed -Sibyl ordering all of the obvious victims to be killed with only Division one noticing what was wrong- that strikes me as a pretty silly argument

Has there actually ever been a case where Sibyl's judgment was more useful than that of an inspector with common sense? One where the inspector would have made a mistake if not for Sibyl telling him what to do? I honestly can't recall. We keep getting shown how deeply flawed it is since the very first episode of the first season, but we never see its good points. I'm starting to find it harder and harder to believe a system like that would be able to hold up for more than a decade.
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Old 2014-10-31, 11:28   Link #77
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Due to how Mika was portrayed from the very beginning, the Inspectors and Enforcers are no better than drones in term of potential terror in the lot.
Only Akane avoids using immediate enforcement procedures, whereas every one else (be it Mika, Aoyanagi, Division 3 etc) didn't question Sybil at all.

To be honest, I found no difference between drones and MWPSB officers. In fact, drones would have way less margin of error, but I guess that's just me.
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Old 2014-10-31, 11:44   Link #78
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Christ they killed every single one of them, even the inspector, that's fucked up. The sybil system is retarded beyond belief.
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Old 2014-10-31, 11:46   Link #79
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I assume that's what droids are for if a situation totally gets out of control. Admittedly, it's a bit strange that the droids aren't stronger and/or more numerous.
Except the droids were useless last year because during the riots a whole lot of them had to be taken offline to be retrofitted with stun batons. In other words, it's not part of the standard fit out. They still seem useless so far in S2.
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I'd like to think those enforcers and inspectors from the other divisions were horrified at the scene and weren't expecting half-naked people covered in blood with distorted facial expressions, come rushing out of the darkness and running towards you like a maniac. But they're probably just brain-dead trigger happy zombies.
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