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RDNexus · 2018-11-11, 04:59

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Does she need to be rescued? Wasn't Asahi going to let her go once he'd thrown his gauntlet?

For how ambiguous things were made to seem like, even I can't say for sure Erina is actually in need of being rescued.
She may have simply become a plot device for a story arc...again...

Avrorrange · 2018-11-12, 02:34

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I'd say it's the other way around. A peasant won't pay $100 for a meal, no matter how good it is. Only people with lots of money do that.

Does she need to be rescued? Wasn't Asahi going to let her go once he'd thrown his gauntlet?

That was my impression as well.

Used Can · 2018-11-15, 21:15

Man, I'll never understand what happened to this manga. It used to be so great, but now the writing is easily one of the worst. I seriously cannot be hyped into rooting for Souma, because no matter how you see it, he doesn't deserve to be at BLUE (and the Umis even less so). We ought to have seen him improve after the RdC, so that he reached a point in which we could say with confidence that he was on the level or had already surpassed the previous Elite 10. But not only did we not get to see any of that, but his cooking doesn't seem to be any different as he keeps going for Yukihira's (the restaurant) menu, instead of growing past that and creating his own thing. His victories do not feel as if he's actually earned them, so it's really hard for me to care. The way things are I don't think I'll care when he finally defeats Jouichirou (or Asahi).
Erina's case is just as bad, since she's been turned into nothing but a plot device.
The side characters are irrelevant.

Tsukuda really needs to read some books and take some writing classes, because his writing level has been steadily going down for bit more than a year, but the writing level in this manga post-RdC just went down the gutter.
I honestly don't know what the editor(s) of this manga have been doing that they've allowed this whole mess to happen.

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2018-11-15, 22:51

And on that note, spoilers for next chapter Soma won and the judge is another tsundere judge like we didn't have one of those in the autumn election with Taki, NEXT!

AP24 · 2018-11-16, 07:30

The latest chapter didn't say how much Souma's dish is worth. My guess is it's worth more than Tsukasa's dish but because Souma used too much ingredient his net value is lower.

Skyterror3381 · 2018-11-16, 09:37

Re: used_can yeh, soma seems to be fixated with yukihira-style cooking. I was hoping he can incorporate other techniques like he did in his stagiare; his oyakodon using French-techniques.

But lately, he’s all yukihira-style this, yukihira-style that. He’s sticking to what he knows. He could’ve incorporate other cooking styles (French, Italian, etc.) onto yukihira-style. Look at tsukasa.

In regards to his strength and victories, two words: plot armour. Pre-azami, they used to highlight the reasons for his victories and defeats (like against hayama, and in training where he had to create a breakfast-menu using egg). He’s now in a similar situation - he’s trying to create an omelette yukihira-style without really understanding the theme. Hence the failure of his first attempt in this round.

I can respect a person staying true to their personality, but there are times where one must improvise/evolve and adapt. Anyway, as I said some time ago, I think many people now only follow the story to see the ending - they (myself included) no longer care who win against who in what.

Oh and btw, the recent emo judges certainly don’t help in seriousness of the battles. I much prefer older, stricter judges before azami’s introduction. Honestly, this series went from James Bond to power rangers. /end rant

DragonOsman · 2018-11-16, 11:42

Yeah, I wish Souma would incorporate other styles into his cooking too. But he already told Jouichirou that he wants to work at Yukihira Diner and that that's enough for him. Idiot. Since he's a First Seat at Tootsuki, shouldn't he aim higher than working at or owning a diner?

I just read the new chapter a bit ago. He passed at least, but I want to know how much his dish is worth.

Kanon · 2018-11-16, 12:36

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Yeah, I wish Souma would incorporate other styles into his cooking too. But he already told Jouichirou that he wants to work at Yukihira Diner and that that's enough for him. Idiot. Since he's a First Seat at Tootsuki, shouldn't he aim higher than working at or owning a diner?

It's his life. He can do whatever he wants. Not to mention Souma being looked down on because of his diner background has been a theme of the series (it's even one in this arc). Souma winning Blue, thus becoming the best cook of his generation, and choosing to work at a diner would be a fitting conclusion.

LeftSeven · 2018-11-16, 13:22

yukihira dinner's principle is to make cheap food, as the foods itself was made solely based on french style because jouchiro who is the main creator is influenced by french cooking. up until now everything that soma made was using cheap ingredients added with french style to localize foreign food into japanese taste/look. beside, there are characters as representer for each cooking style.

soma won't stop using yukihira style unless he throw away his beloved shirt. lol

Skyterror3381 · 2018-11-16, 19:48

Soma competing in blue with yukihira-style cooking is like competing in, say, f1 race using modified golf-cart. Long analogy below:

Let’s say the theme was to create a race car and pass the finish line with it. Tsukasa built a car using modified parts of different cars (multiply, as said by the judge). Meanwhile, soma being the peasant, only knows how to build regular cars - golf-carts at best. All his life, he only ever worked on regular, family cars in his garage. He never even touched an f1 race car. In this challenge, he didn’t or rather couldn’t, modify parts of f1 cars to build the ultimate f1 racing car like tsukasa did.

But soma also installed some modification to his golf-cart. He added, say, accelerator (NO2?) or even a teleporter. He then complete the race by using the accelerator (which in this competition considered illegal, or at least dangerous) or he teleported to the finish line.

Soma: *presents his golf-cart*
Judges: err, that’s not an f1 race car
Soma: it could race, no? It reached high-speed of f1 race car, didn’t it? I crossed the finish line, didn’t I?
Judges: yeah, but this is f1..
Soma: then all things considered, I passed this challenges, which was to build a car and cross the finish line lolol
Judges: but that’s not an f1 race ca..
Soma: a car is a car, you dumb judges! It (my golf-cart) has four wheels, doesn’t it? It raced, didn’t it? Therefore, it’s a car! Lolol
Judges: yeah, but again, the theme was to create an f1 ca..
Soma: you’re still not accepting it? *gasp* are you discriminating against me? Are you racist?! *his fans gasped and booed at the judges*
Judges (and the audience): *baffled* *speechless*
The competition is f1 race and the theme was to build an f1 race car, and he built a golf-cart, instead? Did he or his fans really expect bystanders to clap? If anything, he should be disqualified.

TL;DR: soma completed the challenge create an f1 race car and to cross the finish line with it, using a golf-cart with accelerator or teleporter. Whereas tsukasa obeyed the theme and created an ultimate f1 race car and crossed the finish line properly (no “cheats”). That’s the difference.

For soma to compete in gourmet competition, a high-class competition using yukihira-style dishes is like as I explained - it’s like competing in f1 race using golf-cart, or even regular cars (with chests such as accelerator or teleporter). That’s why people feel hat he’s out-of-place.

Used Can · 2018-11-16, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Kanon

It's his life. He can do whatever he wants. Not to mention Souma being looked down on because of his diner background has been a theme of the series (it's even one in this arc). Souma winning Blue, thus becoming the best cook of his generation, and choosing to work at a diner would be a fitting conclusion.

It really isn't, because a point established during the earlier arcs was that Souma had to grow, and even Jouichirou mentioned once that Souma had to grow past Yukihira.
Writing things so that Souma doesn't want to leave his family dinner is like writing a story about a chick that doesn't want to leave its egg. Shounen manga are coming-of-age stories, and those involve leaving the nest.

It's also rather disappointing considering what Souma's motivation was in the one shot - learning everything every single flavour out there.

~Yami~ · 2018-11-16, 22:54

is this Souma's ultimate dish? I always appreciate course meal in single dish in every cooking competitions because of time-consuming and flavor clashes between each food.

Souma went all-in in 2nd challenge? I'm afraid he might not survive until last stage

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2018-11-16, 22:58

This is why I hate series that get too into their own themes and toss aside slice of life moments for constant new arcs one after another after another after another. I'm thoroughly convinced that the only teacher in the whole of Tootsuki is Chapelle. Like are break chapters really that boring? Tosh should've taken over this series from the get go because at least the plot would've been sacrificed for what he's known for, they'd get right to the consumption, see what I did there?, of what Tsukuda is trying to shove down our throats now.

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2018-11-16, 22:59

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Originally Posted by ~Yami~

is this Souma's ultimate dish? I always appreciate course meal in single dish in every cooking competitions because of time-consuming and flavor clashes between each food.

Souma went all-in in 2nd challenge? I'm afraid he might not survive until last stage

Yami, do yourself a favor and lose the naiveté. This is Shonen, Soma's the MC, MCs have plot armor, he'll pass. Save it for Takumi and/or Megumi since they'll be more believable and deserving of the worry.

shanimebib · 2018-11-17, 06:29

Soma's stock has been going down for a while. Didn't he come like 4th in character popularity poll? The two pages that were worth looking in this chapter was Megumi in the first page and that baby with dollars covering her private in the final.

DragonOsman · 2018-11-17, 06:30

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Originally Posted by Kanon

It's his life. He can do whatever he wants. Not to mention Souma being looked down on because of his diner background has been a theme of the series (it's even one in this arc). Souma winning Blue, thus becoming the best cook of his generation, and choosing to work at a diner would be a fitting conclusion.

Yes, but he still he needs to grow out of Yukihira like Jouichirou said before. And he also seems to have stopped using French techniques even though he did pretty good with them in his stagiaire. Shinoyama will cry.

If he doesn't want to completely leave Yukihira behind, he could at least incorporate gourmet techniques into his Yukihira-style food.

Skyterror3381 · 2018-11-17, 11:16

Yeah, the stagiare was for them to learn and steal techniques from other chefs. He was supposed to learn some French techniques from Shinomiya. But it appears he only used it on that oyakodon. Almost as if he forgot the things (techniques and philosophies) he learned during his stagiare. That, or the author forgot soma did stagiare

LeftSeven · 2018-11-17, 12:35

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Yes, but he still he needs to grow out of Yukihira like Jouichirou said before. And he also seems to have stopped using French techniques even though he did pretty good with them in his stagiaire. Shinoyama will cry.

If he doesn't want to completely leave Yukihira behind, he could at least incorporate gourmet techniques into his Yukihira-style food.

no matter his father told him to, like kanon said, in the end it's up to soma to choose his way of life.
btw, how did you know soma isn't using his french technique? or just because the dish this time looked so japanese-bento like?

besides, when he was in stagiare, soma clearly used french technique to create french food because shinomiya's restaurant is french restaurant.

this is still in second trial, not even in final yet, why should he use all of his trump card anyway. just wait and see.

DragonOsman · 2018-11-17, 14:11

Question (I want a reminder here): did Jouichirou add gourmet techniques into the restaurant's dishes? If so, Souma's already using them. Though he should be better at it. He should still add more if he can, though. Unless it's not needed.

kampfer91 · 2018-11-17, 21:36

I feel in this current act , Souma is getting a bit arrogant with his belief that Yukihira style is the only thing he need to beat everything . 1st gate , finished with one of his diner menu , 2nd gate , another one on his menu .

He sure know how to cook and all kind of trick but he kinda lack the heart to cook them .
But then again , plot armor and author writing ......

2018-11-15, 21:15	Link #18603
Used Can Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Man, I'll never understand what happened to this manga. It used to be so great, but now the writing is easily one of the worst. I seriously cannot be hyped into rooting for Souma, because no matter how you see it, he doesn't deserve to be at BLUE (and the Umis even less so). We ought to have seen him improve after the RdC, so that he reached a point in which we could say with confidence that he was on the level or had already surpassed the previous Elite 10. But not only did we not get to see any of that, but his cooking doesn't seem to be any different as he keeps going for Yukihira's (the restaurant) menu, instead of growing past that and creating his own thing. His victories do not feel as if he's actually earned them, so it's really hard for me to care. The way things are I don't think I'll care when he finally defeats Jouichirou (or Asahi). Erina's case is just as bad, since she's been turned into nothing but a plot device. The side characters are irrelevant. Tsukuda really needs to read some books and take some writing classes, because his writing level has been steadily going down for bit more than a year, but the writing level in this manga post-RdC just went down the gutter. I honestly don't know what the editor(s) of this manga have been doing that they've allowed this whole mess to happen. __________________ "The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom

2018-11-15, 22:51	Link #18604
MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	And on that note, spoilers for next chapter Soma won and the judge is another tsundere judge like we didn't have one of those in the autumn election with Taki, NEXT! __________________ She's in your internets, watching you masterdebate.

2018-11-16, 09:37	Link #18606
Skyterror3381 Blood Champion Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand ��	Re: used_can yeh, soma seems to be fixated with yukihira-style cooking. I was hoping he can incorporate other techniques like he did in his stagiare; his oyakodon using French-techniques. But lately, he’s all yukihira-style this, yukihira-style that. He’s sticking to what he knows. He could’ve incorporate other cooking styles (French, Italian, etc.) onto yukihira-style. Look at tsukasa. In regards to his strength and victories, two words: plot armour. Pre-azami, they used to highlight the reasons for his victories and defeats (like against hayama, and in training where he had to create a breakfast-menu using egg). He’s now in a similar situation - he’s trying to create an omelette yukihira-style without really understanding the theme. Hence the failure of his first attempt in this round. I can respect a person staying true to their personality, but there are times where one must improvise/evolve and adapt. Anyway, as I said some time ago, I think many people now only follow the story to see the ending - they (myself included) no longer care who win against who in what. Oh and btw, the recent emo judges certainly don’t help in seriousness of the battles. I much prefer older, stricter judges before azami’s introduction. Honestly, this series went from James Bond to power rangers. /end rant __________________ “All we can do is walk the road we are given with such dignity as we can muster, each to our own glory or demise, and pray that there yet remains something of our own hearts when all is said and done.” - Lor’themar Theron, Regent Lord of Quel’Thalas. Last edited by Skyterror3381; 2018-11-16 at 09:40. Reason: Typos

2018-11-16, 11:42	Link #18607
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Yeah, I wish Souma would incorporate other styles into his cooking too. But he already told Jouichirou that he wants to work at Yukihira Diner and that that's enough for him. Idiot. Since he's a First Seat at Tootsuki, shouldn't he aim higher than working at or owning a diner? I just read the new chapter a bit ago. He passed at least, but I want to know how much his dish is worth. __________________

2018-11-16, 13:22	Link #18609
LeftSeven 2D artist Join Date: Mar 2017	yukihira dinner's principle is to make cheap food, as the foods itself was made solely based on french style because jouchiro who is the main creator is influenced by french cooking. up until now everything that soma made was using cheap ingredients added with french style to localize foreign food into japanese taste/look. beside, there are characters as representer for each cooking style. soma won't stop using yukihira style unless he throw away his beloved shirt. lol __________________ I LOVE BOOBS AND ASS TOO..LOL OF COURSE, WHO DOESN'T, RIGHT ?

2018-11-16, 07:30	Link #18605
AP24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	The latest chapter didn't say how much Souma's dish is worth. My guess is it's worth more than Tsukasa's dish but because Souma used too much ingredient his net value is lower.

2018-11-16, 19:48	Link #18610
Skyterror3381 Blood Champion Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand ��	Soma competing in blue with yukihira-style cooking is like competing in, say, f1 race using modified golf-cart. Long analogy below: Let’s say the theme was to create a race car and pass the finish line with it. Tsukasa built a car using modified parts of different cars (multiply, as said by the judge). Meanwhile, soma being the peasant, only knows how to build regular cars - golf-carts at best. All his life, he only ever worked on regular, family cars in his garage. He never even touched an f1 race car. In this challenge, he didn’t or rather couldn’t, modify parts of f1 cars to build the ultimate f1 racing car like tsukasa did. But soma also installed some modification to his golf-cart. He added, say, accelerator (NO2?) or even a teleporter. He then complete the race by using the accelerator (which in this competition considered illegal, or at least dangerous) or he teleported to the finish line. Soma: presents his golf-cart Judges: err, that’s not an f1 race car Soma: it could race, no? It reached high-speed of f1 race car, didn’t it? I crossed the finish line, didn’t I? Judges: yeah, but this is f1.. Soma: then all things considered, I passed this challenges, which was to build a car and cross the finish line lolol Judges: but that’s not an f1 race ca.. Soma: a car is a car, you dumb judges! It (my golf-cart) has four wheels, doesn’t it? It raced, didn’t it? Therefore, it’s a car! Lolol Judges: yeah, but again, the theme was to create an f1 ca.. Soma: you’re still not accepting it? gasp are you discriminating against me? Are you racist?! his fans gasped and booed at the judges Judges (and the audience): baffled speechless The competition is f1 race and the theme was to build an f1 race car, and he built a golf-cart, instead? Did he or his fans really expect bystanders to clap? If anything, he should be disqualified. TL;DR: soma completed the challenge create an f1 race car and to cross the finish line with it, using a golf-cart with accelerator or teleporter. Whereas tsukasa obeyed the theme and created an ultimate f1 race car and crossed the finish line properly (no “cheats”). That’s the difference. For soma to compete in gourmet competition, a high-class competition using yukihira-style dishes is like as I explained - it’s like competing in f1 race using golf-cart, or even regular cars (with chests such as accelerator or teleporter). That’s why people feel hat he’s out-of-place. __________________ “All we can do is walk the road we are given with such dignity as we can muster, each to our own glory or demise, and pray that there yet remains something of our own hearts when all is said and done.” - Lor’themar Theron, Regent Lord of Quel’Thalas. Last edited by Skyterror3381; 2018-11-16 at 19:52. Reason: Typos

2018-11-16, 22:54	Link #18612
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	is this Souma's ultimate dish? I always appreciate course meal in single dish in every cooking competitions because of time-consuming and flavor clashes between each food. Souma went all-in in 2nd challenge? I'm afraid he might not survive until last stage

2018-11-16, 22:58	Link #18613
MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	This is why I hate series that get too into their own themes and toss aside slice of life moments for constant new arcs one after another after another after another. I'm thoroughly convinced that the only teacher in the whole of Tootsuki is Chapelle. Like are break chapters really that boring? Tosh should've taken over this series from the get go because at least the plot would've been sacrificed for what he's known for, they'd get right to the consumption, see what I did there?, of what Tsukuda is trying to shove down our throats now. __________________ She's in your internets, watching you masterdebate.

2018-11-17, 06:29	Link #18615
shanimebib Neo Venezia-jin Join Date: Dec 2016	Soma's stock has been going down for a while. Didn't he come like 4th in character popularity poll? The two pages that were worth looking in this chapter was Megumi in the first page and that baby with dollars covering her private in the final. __________________

2018-11-17, 11:16	Link #18617
Skyterror3381 Blood Champion Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand ��	Yeah, the stagiare was for them to learn and steal techniques from other chefs. He was supposed to learn some French techniques from Shinomiya. But it appears he only used it on that oyakodon. Almost as if he forgot the things (techniques and philosophies) he learned during his stagiare. That, or the author forgot soma did stagiare __________________ “All we can do is walk the road we are given with such dignity as we can muster, each to our own glory or demise, and pray that there yet remains something of our own hearts when all is said and done.” - Lor’themar Theron, Regent Lord of Quel’Thalas.

2018-11-17, 14:11	Link #18619
DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Question (I want a reminder here): did Jouichirou add gourmet techniques into the restaurant's dishes? If so, Souma's already using them. Though he should be better at it. He should still add more if he can, though. Unless it's not needed. __________________

2018-11-17, 21:36	Link #18620
kampfer91 Master Eugenist Join Date: Jul 2013	I feel in this current act , Souma is getting a bit arrogant with his belief that Yukihira style is the only thing he need to beat everything . 1st gate , finished with one of his diner menu , 2nd gate , another one on his menu . He sure know how to cook and all kind of trick but he kinda lack the heart to cook them . But then again , plot armor and author writing ......