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2010-11-11, 18:45 | Link #82 |
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It was refreshing to see old characters interact with each other again, especially Zbuza/Haku and Sasori/Deidara. Duno why but Zabuza/Haku small exchange made me lol about it not being an after life. However Haku looked way too feminine this time around!
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2010-11-12, 08:52 | Link #84 |
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I don't recognize the characters that have been reused?
Could someone please pinpoint to me which characters in the manga have been seen in which specific naruto movie? There isn't a 10th naruto movie is there? and where do you see them in the movie EDIT: Oh I found it in an earlier post haha, and I don't mind him using designs but it might be confusing for some as they played a different role in the movie then they will in here? Haven't they got some sort of background story in the movie and wouldnt tht contradict the main story? |
2010-11-12, 11:18 | Link #85 |
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To get off the reused movie characters discussion, apparently people are saying that Hyuuga fodder guy has the strongest byakugan among the Hyuuga. Well at least one translation says that. Not Neji. Not Hinata. Not Hanabi. That guy.
So it will be interesting to see what Kishi does with him. He is giving his life to hold off Deidara and group only for a brief moment. Will he get a good character's death or get wasted like the Red Shirt he is? And what does that say about the byakugan? Does Kabuto have the zombies retrieve his eyes to give to Madara for a Christmas present? And Kabuto won't kill Anko. He'll capture her since she has some value for his experiments. Her team will die though and that will satisfy the bodybag count for this war. That might be the formula for this war. Long time name character lives. Three fodder or newbie characters(Kage Summit bodyguards) die. Um, Gaara is a secondary character and was the star of this past chapter. The whole point of this war is for the secondary characters to do something. Masashi Kishimoto: Disappointing fangirls since 1999. |
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Oh, and fighting against a bunch of fodder villains while having no real development and minimal screentime is not the same thing as "doing something." |
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2010-11-12, 23:26 | Link #91 |
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Yeah, there is this crazy thing called logic which leads me to believe they will. You see, there are two main characters in the manga and at this point they likely won't be involved too much in the war. So therefore the secondary characters will actually get to be relevant for maybe the next year. Crazy I know.
What the hell do you want them to do? This is a shonen fighting manga. What manga were you reading before? Would you prefer the "doing something" be counting animal penis or a whole chapter about how a ship can sail underwater? Things are at least exciting now. If Kishi blows this, I will be the first to complain how he ruined the war. But right now I see no real complaints. You sound like you are being a contrarian for the sake of it. The Sasuke Rescue Arc was against fodder villains of no consequence and fans still wax poetic about it. At this point character development time is over. It's now about how each character uses what development they have. |
2010-11-13, 00:24 | Link #92 | |
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I do have a theory about Kabuto and him mentioning leaving some of their personalities intact. When he mentioned that leaving some of their personalities intact can cause emotional turmoil it than goes directly Asuma, Hizashi and Dan...it could be a bit of foreshadowing |
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2010-11-13, 01:01 | Link #93 | |||
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Of course, I think this dispute between us is due to a confusion of definition of terms. My definition of a fodder villain is a villain who is easily defeated, dispensable, and utterly inconsequential. Powerful villains who push the heroes to their limits, IMO, do not fit the bill. |
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2010-11-13, 01:25 | Link #95 |
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@Nobodyman9 I'm sorry, but I'm getting rather tired of this sub-forum being filled up with your complaining. You act like you know what you're talking about, but your original point seemed to be lost long ago.
Now, I see some valid points in some of your arguments, but, quite frankly, I think it's mostly a load of bull. However, I respect your need to vent, so I won't result to insults. I just wanted to let you know that this game that you're playing is becoming tiresome, for me at least. And, I wish you would just suck it up, at least until there is more reason for this unnecessary fuming, or just leave the manga altogether. You've already admitted to finding it detestable, so I say that if all you can do is complain about it, just leave this forum to those who actually still enjoy Kishi's writing. I'm not a very angry person, but I can be if I'm pushed enough. Also, as an afternote, I just wanted to ask how exactly you know that the new ninja zombies presented won't take a cue from the sound four, and be powerful enough to keep our heroes on their toes? It might not be in those one-on-one battles you want, but it can definitely still work with teams of 3 or more. Just putting that out there. |
2010-11-13, 02:00 | Link #96 |
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@Nobody, your complaining is seriously irrelevant. You complain that the rookies aren't going to get development, you complain that they won't get screentime in this war. You don't know this, it is speculation.You don't know how Kishi will handle this war, and your argument, saying that Kishi part I and Kishi part II are entirely different, is a misnomer. You're taking what's bad from the manga and ignoring the good parts, just because it fits your narrative.
If you have to take a dump on everyone who actually like these chapters for the very reasons (Giving the secondary/tertiary teams screentime and putting Naruto/Sasuke on the sidelines) you've been criticizing the author, then you probably don't want to have a conversation, and like Sharfan said, you're tiresome to those of us who do want to talk seriously about the chapter. |
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What is so compelling about Naruto's homo-erotic obsession with Sasuke? What was so compelling about Team Gai fighting clones of themselves? What is so compelling about Sai? What was so compelling about the anticlimactic death of Orochimaru? What was so compelling about Kishi's hastily thrown together, last mintue final duel between Guy and Kisame? What was so compelling about Sakura underhandedly knocking out Lee and Kiba? What in god's green earth was so compelling about Sasuke vs. Itachi? What is so compelling about armadillo penis? Surely you people can't be blind to the fact that he's completely ignored the Konoha rookies? (and no, giving them occasional screentime for some meaningless purpose does not mean he gives a flying fudge about them). You all ask me why I think the secondary characters won't get to do anything meaningful during this arc, but what I want to know is why any of you think, given the amount of attention Kishi's given them over the last few years, they will do anything meaningful. As for your question about the zombies, I answered it in my response to james' post. |
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2010-11-13, 03:07 | Link #98 | |||
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Sai doesn't have anything compelling, he was meant to be emotionless, a victim of 'root'. I liked Kishi's introduction of Danzou and I liked the concept of Shadow Operations taking place behind the Hokage's back. Namely, I liked the underhanded politics that Sai was a member of. The anticlimactic death of Orochimaru? That's debatable. I liked the symbolism there. Itachi wanted to get rid of Orochimaru and he used the sword of Totsuka. Quote:
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