Character Discussion - Kallen

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by linkinstreet

It might jeopardize their contract? and why are we talking about C.C. in Kallen's thread?

becouse this is a set up for a C.C kallen team up

[kir44n]

I believe we are discussing the viability of C.C. filling in Kallen on Lelouch's plan based on the idea that C.C. doesn't like the plan, but thinks only Kallen will be able to save Lelouch from it. Or something to this effect.

[prototype_sky]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

she isnt all in for the plan
she is shown to be unhappy with it and she actually asked lelouch if they havent gone too far already (even trying to remind him of his original goals=nunnaly)
this from a woman who has never before said anything about the plans
and if she deceides to save lelouch's ass from the consquences of the plan it means going past suzaku (who wants it to proceed
why not joing forces with the only person who C.C know that cares about lelouch as much as she does and who can help get past suzaku

Suzaku isn't stopping him, he'd go try destroy the fortress with or without him.

Your arguments seems to be the Suzaku cares less for Lulu than Kallen or not at all, but their bonds as friends/family still exists and the fact that they are working together despite all that happened is proof of it. In fact the reason he went after Charles in ep 20 was because of nunnally/lulu

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by kir44n

I believe we are discussing the viability of C.C. filling in Kallen on Lelouch's plan based on the idea that C.C. doesn't like the plan, but thinks only Kallen will be able to save Lelouch from it. Or something to this effect.

which makes sense since of the two kallen is the one more likely to punch him out and drag him to safety

[Dandylion]

Originally Posted by kir44n

I believe we are discussing the viability of C.C. filling in Kallen on Lelouch's plan based on the idea that C.C. doesn't like the plan, but thinks only Kallen will be able to save Lelouch from it. Or something to this effect.

so C.C, and Kallen pretty much chooses Lelouch over the fate of the world, yeah that's entirely not selfish

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by prototype_sky

Suzaku isn't stopping him, he'd go try destroy the fortress with or without him.

Your arguments seems to be the Suzaku cares less for Lulu than Kallen or not at all, but their bonds as friends/family still exists and the fact that they are working together despite all that happened is proof of it. In fact the reason he went after Charles in ep 20 was because of nunnally/lulu

suzaku cares about results over anything else at this point
he even comments that he would destroy anything that would make lulu weak (as in, make him waver in his resolve)
so yeah i'd say that at this point kallen is more likely to try and save lelouch then suzaku (if she learns the truth about his actions)
she isnt even on his side and she seems to care about him too much
except that at this point it leads to her wanting to be the one to stop him at any cost (nunnaly also seems to feel the same way, and you cant argue that suzaku cares about lulu more then nunnaly does)

so C.C, and Kallen pretty much chooses Lelouch over the fate of the world, yeah that's entirely not selfish

a noble sacrifice isnt as noble when you LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT

[Baixinho]

Originally Posted by Dandylion

so C.C, and Kallen pretty much chooses Lelouch over the fate of the world, yeah that's entirely not selfish

Unless they think Lelouch could contribute more to the world by being alive than dead. Which is quite likely actually.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

suzaku cares about results over anything else at this point
he even comments that he would destroy anything that would make lulu weak (as in, make him waver in his resolve)
so yeah i'd say that at this point kallen is more likely to try and save lelouch then suzaku (if she learns the truth about his actions)
she isnt even on his side and she seems to care about him too much
except that at this point it leads to her wanting to be the one to stop him at any cost (nunnaly also seems to feel the same way, and you cant argue that suzaku cares about lulu more then nunnaly does)

I don't think Suzaku cares about anything at this point.... Kallen's last chance is next episode. It all depends what happens there. Things will either be good, or end really badly. It is a 50/50 split.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Orga777

I don't think Suzaku cares about anything at this point.... Kallen's last chance is next episode. It all depends what happens there. Things will either be good, or end really badly. It is a 50/50 split.

i really REALLY wish time would go faster

[Dandylion]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

suzaku cares about results over anything else at this point
he even comments that he would destroy anything that would make lulu weak (as in, make him waver in his resolve)
so yeah i'd say that at this point kallen is more likely to try and save lelouch then suzaku (if she learns the truth about his actions)
she isnt even on his side and she seems to care about him too much
except that at this point it leads to her wanting to be the one to stop him at any cost (nunnaly also seems to feel the same way, and you cant argue that suzaku cares about lulu more then nunnaly does)

But I fail to realize how this is relevant to the big picture at hand, even if they want to save him the world is at risk and if Lelouch doesn't stop Schienzel who else is gonna, their putting their feelings over the fate of the world which is just as wrong.

[yvj]

Originally Posted by Dandylion

so C.C, and Kallen pretty much chooses Lelouch over the fate of the world, yeah that's entirely not selfish

Or they could be Lelouch's moral compass and maybe make his demon path a little less demonish, by making sure he doesn't become exactly like his older brother Schniezel.

[Dandylion]

Originally Posted by Orga777

I don't think Suzaku cares about anything at this point.... Kallen's last chance is next episode. It all depends what happens there. Things will either be good, or end really badly. It is a 50/50 split.

why should he, no one gives two shits about him at this point and the people who undertsood him the most are dead or against him, so at this point he has this fuck them kind of attitude, sad really since you were actually one of his biggest supporters next to Airi.

Originally Posted by yvj

Or they could be Lelouch's moral compass and maybe make his demon path a little less demonish, by making sure he doesn't become exactly like his older brother Schniezel.

"sigh" whatever maybe I just missed something along the way, I wish we knew more about Zero's Requiem to make a point but its futile

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Dandylion

why should he, no one gives two shits about him at this point and the people who undertsood him the most are dead or against him, so at this point he has this fuck them kind of attitude, sad really since you were actually one of his biggest supporters next to Airi.

Yes I was. And I still am really. I understand what broke him, and it is quite tragic... I still have a slim hope for him though... very slim, but nothing is ruled out yet really...

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Dandylion

why should he, no one gives two shits about him at this point and the people who undertsood him the most are dead or against him, so at this point he has this fuck them kind of attitude, sad really since you were actually one of his biggest supporters next to Airi.

are you blaming orga for pointing out the facts
suzaku has been derailed so badly its not even the same character anymore

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

are you blaming orga for pointing out the facts
suzaku has been derailed so badly its not even the same character anymore

No he isn't. He seems to be just pointing out WHY he doesn't care. Which is quite understandable.

[Dandylion]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

are you blaming orga for pointing out the facts
suzaku has been derailed so badly its not even the same character anymore

read Orga's response please

Originally Posted by Orga777

No he isn't. He seems to be just pointing out WHY he doesn't care. Which is quite understandable.

Thank you. Lelouch has C.C. and Kallen while Suzaku has no one so why wouldn't he want to support Zero's Requiem and stop anyone who interfers because he has nothing to lose at this point.

[bladeofdarkness]

read it got it
but he still is a completly different character at this point in the story
and he is likely to try and stop kallen and C.C if they try and interfere with the plan

[Dream_Traveller]

And that isn't illogical. Not in the case of Kallen. She's his enemy. For C.C., if she chooses to try to stop the plan, it may be that bit more complex.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

read it got it
but he still is a completly different character at this point in the story
and he is likely to try and stop kallen and C.C if they try and interfere with the plan

Well of course he would. He has nothing to really look forward to anyway. If someone gets in his way (especially Kallen) he will crush her with extreme prejudice. Suzaku became DARK after FLEIA went off. Hell, he may be even darker than Lelouch at this point...

But this is the wrong place to be discussing that issue.

[Dandylion]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

read it got it
but he still is a completly different character at this point in the story
and he is likely to try and stop kallen and C.C if they try and interfere with the plan

that's a big "if" right there meaning "if"she let's Kallen in on the plan and "if" she's willing to stop it

Originally Posted by Orga777

Well of course he would. He has nothing to really look forward to anyway. If someone gets in his way (especially Kallen) he will crush her with extreme prejudice. Suzaku became DARK after FLEIA went off. Hell, he may be even darker than Lelouch at this point...

But this is the wrong place to be discussing that issue.

well killing 10 million people will change your outlook on life as a whole