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Duo Maxwell · 2011-10-27, 21:43

I don't have much time, so I couldn't give proper explanation right now, but let's think about the "resource". We don't know what's the resource, and you keep assume it's material substance, now that's the problem. It could be as well as an organic catalyst that created specifically for this (could be Yurin, who knows?). Again, you assume that they have a luxury of time to do and try the looping. They might already be near at their death when operate the time travel.

Remember the UE in Flit's time only commit several assault, and few big one in the 14 years time span. That could mean they didn't manage to bring much thing together with them back to this time, and need time to rebuild their force. Given their few numbers, I don't find it's unreasonable to believe that.

Everything is just speculation, because frankly, there are too little information to have any proper logical explanation. Your argument all based on assumption that everything should be as you think it is, without considering outside factor.

And time paradox, for your last question.

Vena · 2011-10-27, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

I don't have much time, so I couldn't give proper explanation right now, but let's think about the "resource". We don't know what's the resource, and you keep assume it's material substance, now that's the problem. It could be as well as an organic catalyst that created specifically for this (could be Yurin, who knows?). Again, you assume that they have a luxury of time to do and try the looping. They might already be near at their death when operate the time travel.

Remember the UE in Flit's time only commit several assault, and few big one in the 14 years time span. That could mean they didn't manage to bring much thing together with them back to this time, and need time to rebuild their force. Given their few numbers, I don't find it's unreasonable to believe that.

Everything is just speculation, because frankly, there are too little information to have any proper logical explanation. Your argument all based on assumption that everything should be as you think it is, without considering outside factor.

And time paradox, for your last question.

Time travel is a paradox in and of itself.

I don't understand how they could not have the luxury of time of looping, when looping implies infinite amounts of time. The only way that would work is if they were bleeding out while time traveling and literally facing death, but, then, again they could have met themselves who were not quite dead and pass on their knowledge, forever and ever.

I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but this is a discussion board so I'd like to discuss it.

creb · 2011-10-27, 22:01

All this time travel talk makes me want to watch Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles all over again. DAMN YOU FOX FOR ALWAYS CANCELLING YOUR SCI-FI SHOWS!!!

Anyways, to get back on topic, what're the odds Grodek actually gets away, repercussion-free, with stealing the Diva? I don't really get what the point was for him to erase the personnel records. Is the Federation really so incompetent not to have a centralized personnel system that any colonies the Diva is going to be visiting in the next few episodes would just blindly accept the Diva's records that have been tampered with?

monster · 2011-10-28, 01:29

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Originally Posted by Vena

Time travel is a paradox in and of itself.

I don't understand how they could not have the luxury of time of looping, when looping implies infinite amounts of time.

The problem is that all we know from this spoiler is that the UE went back 100+ years in the past. Since we don't know anything else at this point, it's hard to say why they wouldn't/couldn't do certain things.

creb · 2011-10-29, 22:09

This made me laugh:

Originally posted by bearzerger on T.H.A.T. Anime blog:

It is already beyond obvious that Yurin is the final villain. Just look at how skillfully she eliminated Bruzar. As a precog she must have known about the UE attack and yet instead of getting herself to an escape pod as quickly as possible she started wandering about and when finally Flit caught up with her despite knowing that he would help her she played the damsel in distress and delayed Flit by running away from him for minutes. Then she used her femine wiles to ingratiate herself with the emotionally unstable pubescent Flit.

Moreover as we can see when she navigates Flit through the tunnels out of the colony she must have known that the core would get stuck when they attempted to pull it out, but again instead of warning people ahead of time she intentionally forced Bruzar to kill himself to free the core.

To sum up, she already got rid of his parent figure, sidelined the girl who tried to be the closest to him and she got first hand data on the Gundam. There can only be one conclusion Yurin is the leader of UE trying to mold Flit into her loyal pawn.

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On a different note, I wonder if it means anything when they gave the status report on the Diva that all the colonists were accounted for when they didn't know there was a purple-haired girl sitting in Flit's cockpit. Oversight, or ominous plot detail?

bio9205 · 2011-10-29, 22:49

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Originally Posted by creb

This made me laugh:

Originally posted by bearzerger on T.H.A.T. Anime blog:

It is already beyond obvious that Yurin is the final villain. Just look at how skillfully she eliminated Bruzar. As a precog she must have known about the UE attack and yet instead of getting herself to an escape pod as quickly as possible she started wandering about and when finally Flit caught up with her despite knowing that he would help her she played the damsel in distress and delayed Flit by running away from him for minutes. Then she used her femine wiles to ingratiate herself with the emotionally unstable pubescent Flit.

Moreover as we can see when she navigates Flit through the tunnels out of the colony she must have known that the core would get stuck when they attempted to pull it out, but again instead of warning people ahead of time she intentionally forced Bruzar to kill himself to free the core.

To sum up, she already got rid of his parent figure, sidelined the girl who tried to be the closest to him and she got first hand data on the Gundam. There can only be one conclusion Yurin is the leader of UE trying to mold Flit into her loyal pawn.

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On a different note, I wonder if it means anything when they gave the status report on the Diva that all the colonists were accounted for when they didn't know there was a purple-haired girl sitting in Flit's cockpit. Oversight, or ominous plot detail?

Wow. That actually makes sense!

I wonder when AGE will start introducing the Newtype/Innovator concept, with Yurin's special abilities, of sorts.

brightman · 2011-10-30, 06:53

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Originally Posted by bio9205

I wonder when AGE will start introducing the Newtype/Innovator concept, with Yurin's special abilities, of sorts.

Probably next ep when we meet Decil the demon boy.

ReddyRedWolf · 2011-10-30, 10:23

Given what Grodek said about the UE stealth technology it may be in the past this technology was used during one of the wars prior to this era of peace.

Sides · 2011-10-30, 11:08

I think you are right, looks like Grodek has seen this or a similar technology before.
The stealth field/shield used by the UE makes me a bit curious. For what I have seen, it looks like within the field, radar or other sensors are useless except for the optical/visual ones. So it is useful, but it has also have some drawbacks.

Marina2 · 2011-10-30, 13:06

Ep.names up to ep.14

Spoiler for Lists:

OMG, the name of ep.12 ...........

brightman · 2011-10-30, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Marina2

Ep.names up to ep.14

Spoiler for Lists:

OMG, the name of ep.12 ...........

Those are fake... We know what the official titles for Eps 6-8 are and those aren't it.

Hope that makes you feel a bit better.

casval cehack · 2011-10-30, 13:37

Flit is starting to gain some Newtype ace skills (from touching Yurin's hand no doubt); the signature blue-tinged screen appeared twice by now, first when he tried predicting Gafran's movements during episode 3 and now when split-second dodging Woolf's round.

Vena · 2011-10-30, 22:14

And now the UE are shown to have a giant space fortress/ship.

I'm liking the time traveling scenario less and less.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-10-30, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Vena

And now the UE are shown to have a giant space fortress/ship.

I'm liking the time traveling scenario less and less.

Just because they have a large space ship doesn't solidify the rumor of time travel.

Sides · 2011-10-31, 10:59

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Just because they have a large space ship doesn't solidify the rumor of time travel.

You mean Grodek comes from the future as well?

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2011-10-31, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Sides

You mean Grodek comes from the future as well?

*SLAP*

I'll have no such heresy spoken here!

rocawarde · 2011-11-01, 03:36

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Originally Posted by Sides

You mean Grodek comes from the future as well?

MIND BLOWN lol

RES-01 Perses Gundam · 2011-11-01, 05:47

Just to add fuel to the speculation?

Remember when he quipped how lousy the security of the EFF database was?

To contextualise, maybe in the future the security was much better. Or maybe in the future they were taught that the EFF were very powerful/glorious.

Patriot's Blade · 2011-11-01, 06:25

Gundam has faced many different types of enemies already, ranging from martains(Oldsmobile Zeon/Mars from Gundam Seed Delta Astray), jovians(Jupiter Empire), undeads(DG Army), to aliens(ELS) & now time travelers?

PzIVf3 · 2011-11-01, 08:40

Caution Major Spoiler Sorry I have no mood to translate.

Spoiler for About UE, Zedas (hidden secret reveal):

2011-10-27, 21:43	Link #61
Duo Maxwell A Proud Lolicon Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: In front of my computer Age: 37	I don't have much time, so I couldn't give proper explanation right now, but let's think about the "resource". We don't know what's the resource, and you keep assume it's material substance, now that's the problem. It could be as well as an organic catalyst that created specifically for this (could be Yurin, who knows?). Again, you assume that they have a luxury of time to do and try the looping. They might already be near at their death when operate the time travel. Remember the UE in Flit's time only commit several assault, and few big one in the 14 years time span. That could mean they didn't manage to bring much thing together with them back to this time, and need time to rebuild their force. Given their few numbers, I don't find it's unreasonable to believe that. Everything is just speculation, because frankly, there are too little information to have any proper logical explanation. Your argument all based on assumption that everything should be as you think it is, without considering outside factor. And time paradox, for your last question. __________________

2011-10-27, 22:01	Link #63
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	All this time travel talk makes me want to watch Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles all over again. DAMN YOU FOX FOR ALWAYS CANCELLING YOUR SCI-FI SHOWS!!! Anyways, to get back on topic, what're the odds Grodek actually gets away, repercussion-free, with stealing the Diva? I don't really get what the point was for him to erase the personnel records. Is the Federation really so incompetent not to have a centralized personnel system that any colonies the Diva is going to be visiting in the next few episodes would just blindly accept the Diva's records that have been tampered with? __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

2011-10-29, 22:09	Link #65
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	This made me laugh: Originally posted by bearzerger on T.H.A.T. Anime blog: It is already beyond obvious that Yurin is the final villain. Just look at how skillfully she eliminated Bruzar. As a precog she must have known about the UE attack and yet instead of getting herself to an escape pod as quickly as possible she started wandering about and when finally Flit caught up with her despite knowing that he would help her she played the damsel in distress and delayed Flit by running away from him for minutes. Then she used her femine wiles to ingratiate herself with the emotionally unstable pubescent Flit. Moreover as we can see when she navigates Flit through the tunnels out of the colony she must have known that the core would get stuck when they attempted to pull it out, but again instead of warning people ahead of time she intentionally forced Bruzar to kill himself to free the core. To sum up, she already got rid of his parent figure, sidelined the girl who tried to be the closest to him and she got first hand data on the Gundam. There can only be one conclusion Yurin is the leader of UE trying to mold Flit into her loyal pawn. ---------------------------------- On a different note, I wonder if it means anything when they gave the status report on the Diva that all the colonists were accounted for when they didn't know there was a purple-haired girl sitting in Flit's cockpit. Oversight, or ominous plot detail? __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

2011-10-30, 13:06	Link #70
Marina2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Ep.names up to ep.14 Spoiler for Lists: 1.救世主ガンダム 2.AGEの力 3.ゆがむコロニー 4.白い狼 5.魔少年 6.ファーデーンバトル　 7.とらわれたガンダム　 8.ゼダス襲撃 9.天使の落日 10.明日へ 11.月面の再会 12.さよならユリン>>>> I feel bad about this T_T 13.アンノウン・エネミー 14.せまり来る危機！ OMG, the name of ep.12 ........... __________________

2011-10-30, 13:37	Link #72
casval cehack Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011	Flit is starting to gain some Newtype ace skills (from touching Yurin's hand no doubt); the signature blue-tinged screen appeared twice by now, first when he tried predicting Gafran's movements during episode 3 and now when split-second dodging Woolf's round. __________________

2011-10-30, 10:23	Link #68
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Given what Grodek said about the UE stealth technology it may be in the past this technology was used during one of the wars prior to this era of peace.

2011-10-30, 11:08	Link #69
Sides Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Edinburgh Age: 42	I think you are right, looks like Grodek has seen this or a similar technology before. The stealth field/shield used by the UE makes me a bit curious. For what I have seen, it looks like within the field, radar or other sensors are useless except for the optical/visual ones. So it is useful, but it has also have some drawbacks.

2011-10-30, 22:14	Link #73
Vena Carpe Diem Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: \|\|At the edge of finality.\|\| Age: 34	And now the UE are shown to have a giant space fortress/ship. I'm liking the time traveling scenario less and less.

2011-11-01, 05:47	Link #78
RES-01 Perses Gundam A Contradiction Beneath Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Singapore	Just to add fuel to the speculation? Remember when he quipped how lousy the security of the EFF database was? To contextualise, maybe in the future the security was much better. Or maybe in the future they were taught that the EFF were very powerful/glorious.

2011-11-01, 06:25	Link #79
Patriot's Blade its Ghost Madoka time!!! Join Date: May 2009 Location: brunei darusalam	Gundam has faced many different types of enemies already, ranging from martains(Oldsmobile Zeon/Mars from Gundam Seed Delta Astray), jovians(Jupiter Empire), undeads(DG Army), to aliens(ELS) & now time travelers? __________________ "legends said that Alto Saotome made a correct decision, he left both Ranka Lee & Sheryl Nome to marry the skies & proceed to make love with her, it was a long sight to behold according to the witnesses, the sky is now pregnant"

2011-11-01, 08:40	Link #80
PzIVf3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Somewhere at Earth	Caution Major Spoiler Sorry I have no mood to translate. Spoiler for About UE, Zedas (hidden secret reveal):