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Um... the only reason she went over to ZAFT is because Klueze ran into her in JOSH-A, and decided to take her with him. After that she had no control over where she was or who she was with. Unless she wanted to be killed that is.
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I don't think she deserved to die because of what she did. She was just a poor kid who got caught up in the war, and it drove her mad for a time. But I do think she had to die because of what she represented in the story line. Her part in the story was meant to be a tragedy from the very beginning. |
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2004-11-01, 10:41 | Link #67 | |
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Tough pick. |
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2004-11-01, 10:44 | Link #68 | |
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Besides, there's a much more effective way to kill innocents than nukes as seen with the GENESIS and the upcoming Junius 7 drop. So its not like the nukes would change the way wars are fought.
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2004-11-01, 10:47 | Link #69 | |
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2004-11-01, 11:39 | Link #71 |
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well the nukes are more or less just a plot device. In the original Gundam they used nerve gas and killed millions of people. In Gundam X they dropped space colony which wiped out over 90% of Earth population. nukes in SEED is not really that special, just a kind of WoMD which the director decided to use to kill a lot of people.
Besides, it's pretty clear that in CE nuclear power is used quite widely already, not much of a big fuss as now (in UC nuclear fusion is the standard energy source already) |
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2004-11-01, 12:49 | Link #73 |
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well, it's quite sensible to use nerve gas to kill all the people in an entire colony too. And those PLANT satellites are not that hard to destroy anyway, Heliopolis got totally destroyed with one strike at the central axis.
The nukes are just something like those N2 mines in EVA, a very strong weapon, nothing more, so don't read too much into it. I don't think any Gundam series try to convey any anti-nuclear sentiments. If anything, they just show that nuclear power is the power source of the future and will be widely used to benefit humanity and for space exploration in the future. |
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2004-11-01, 13:04 | Link #75 |
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Err... I won't call Gundam Wing having an "underlying message" about war, Gundam Wing is practically all about war, despite how childish its ideas and politics may be. But then all UC Gundam series are about war anyway. It seems only when it comes to AU that some Gundam series deviates its theme from war. CE Gundam series returns to the topic of war, not surprising since it's intended to "return to the root" of UC series.
Anyway, I don't think there's anything anti-nuclear about it, after all both Freedom and Justice use nuclear power and are called by Lacus as the power necessary for one's ideals. SEED showed the EA using nuclear bombs to attack PLANT, but it also showed that nuclear power being widely used and Freedom and Justice powered by nuclear power. So I'd say nuclear power is just a "power" in SEED, it doesn't show anything pro-nuclear or anti-nuclear. |
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2004-11-01, 14:23 | Link #79 |
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No, you obviously read my post wrong, I didn't say that GW has no message about war, but I don't think it's anything called "underlying" message, I'd say it's right under the spotlight, actually the very main theme of GW is all about war.
Anyway I don't think they have any "underlying message", or actually any message, underlying or not, about nuclear power in SEED. IF you think the use of nuclear bombs instead of some "fictional weapons" could be "misleading" for an anti-nuclear message, then doesn't it mean that the use the nuclear powers on Earth widely in CE and in Freedom and Justice instead of some "fictional power sources" could be "misleading" for a pro-nuclear message? I just don't think SEED has any pro-nuclear or anti-nuclear message anyway. |
2004-11-01, 14:36 | Link #80 | |
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One of the reasons why I liked GW is because of how they explore the politics of war with the main character being Heero, someone that never knew anything but how to accomplish his mission. I think they made it so long inorder to emphasize just how much war can change people, that is what I thought the 'message' was, underlying or not. |
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