2015-10-10, 06:24 | Link #61 | |
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Here's some more thoughts: I think only Mars developed Gundams and I suspect the "Whiskers" are needed to make use of them. It looks like "Whiskers" are not in common use even in Mars. So here's an idea - the twin Ahab reactor technology and the Whiskers technology are officially forbidden and are considered taboo technology. I doubt any of the other MS pilots have "Whiskers". I suspect people on Earth demonise the technology and seeing it being resurrected would probably make people on Earth very nervous. |
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2015-10-10, 11:50 | Link #63 |
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It depends on the relative power when it comes to development I think. A Twin Drive MS in 00 is far far more powerful than a single or even double Drive setup in 00, so in a sense it is like the next overpowered engine step to normal GN Drives. During the time of its introduction, normal GN Drive suits have become quite widespread and normal with at least 1000 GN-XIII units and 100 Ahead units confirmed in 00's universe in Season 2. It's extremely hard for normal GN engineers to figure out even if they have the "components" (IE GN Drives) needed despite the fact that they have a good grasp on GN technology by then. Even Ribbons was only able to achieve it only because he had Anew literally steal the data from Celestial Being and they got it only because of super genius Aeolia's theory.
I think the question on the IBO Gundams's parallel system would be how exclusive the technology is. If it's an advanced system that the other factions have never found than it would make sense if it's because the parallel system is some sort of special technology that they have no data or knowledge off. If they have found some before, then it's likely they never implemented it because it's just not practical much like the same reasons not many Gundams are made. The modern MPs do however use the same frames so that may be a big clue. Essentially what I mean here is that we need to separate "Ahab Reactor" technology from "Parallel Ahab Reactor" technology as the latter appears to be some sort of advanced stepping stone. Since it's totally possible for the current factions to have kept and inherited one but not the other, given the way the Gundam Frame profile makes it sound like the technology was exclusive to them. We don't know who made the Gundams during the war but we knew they appeared late on. If the Parallel Ahab system was a new development during that late war period, there still a good chance for the technology to be lost especially since they may not time for the technology to be captured and reversed engineered. Now I'm kinda curious about the power of the IBO Gundams actually. I never got the impression that any of the three I've seen feel powerful especially given their list arms. It actually makes me want to see them become some sort of powerful demon monsters. I remember this feeling to be very similar to when I watched 00 Season 2 where 00 Gundam pretty much underperformed in relation to its potential so when it went full potential in Episode 11 I was pretty damn excited. ======= On the matter of Whiskers, I believe the HG Barbatos manual directly mentions that you need an Organic Device System to run ancient mobile suits, which I assume the Whiskers are a part of. So I believe your guess is right. I didn't translate anything. I'm just trying to read something that someone else have mentioned since they actually read it.
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There is another possibility though: that there's something special on Mars. It is curious that Mars seems to be important to Earth economically. Transporting stuff between the planets is extremely expensive so if Mars really is important then there must be something extremely rare or unique about Mars. Which could be related to the Ahab reactor technology too - for all we know it might not be possible to make them on Earth. Of course that doesn't necessarily explain why there's no new Gundams on Mars either unless we assume that nobody came from elsewhere to try and Mars is so poor these days that there's little high-tech R&D going on there. Quote:
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2015-10-10, 17:54 | Link #68 | |
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But still... I wonder how many MS there are on Mars. My feeling is not too many and all owned or almost all owned by Earth forces. |
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2015-10-11, 07:56 | Link #69 |
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Hmm... From this episode, there would be a lot of chance that the upgraded Barbatos will receive a proper cockpit, one that they disconnect the pilot in case of unconsciousness.
Also, if the Ahab particles work as gyroscopes, and the cockpit in front of the reactors, wouldn't this make the center of gravity of Bartbatos is its upper half? How would this help with stability in a melee unit? |
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The GN Particles from 00 for example have the ability to generate a negative mass effect and use this to manipulate the mass concentrations to change the center of gravity. The Ahab Particles are inspired by some of the effects of the previous particles so it's possible that it may adapt a similar approach to mass effect of 00. Suits like Avalanche Exia use this effect to help their AMBACs all the time according to its HG manual. While I'm not means an expert on the theory, it should be possible if you can weaken the Higgs Field to reduce the relative mass of an object. Without the Higgs Field existing in our world, everything will be massless and will move at the speed of light but just weakening it should decrease the mass of an object by reducing the mass of its elementary particles that make up matter. And since the Higgs Particle was recently proven in real life in the last few years it does make it fall under harder science fiction than it did before a few years ago. Even in 00 I don't think the mass reduction thing went overboard since its effects isn't even obvious in the anime. It may even explain why the weight stats of the suits are pretty low aside from great light and strong composite materials. 00's GN suits have some weight reduction mechanism integrated into their official weight stats as well so we have precedent. Quote:
The taboo thing is interesting as well as its possible that there was a huge blowback to Ahab Reactors after the war because of them causing the incident before them slowly and gradually using it again due to them being too useful as well as political and short memories chance over the centuries.
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2015-10-16, 13:31 | Link #73 |
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i hope they will give the Barbatos some guns as soon as possible because of it bringing a sword fight to a gun fight just looks plain silly considering space age combat standards, even if you are a Jedi, also the fact a Mobile Worker's guns can't even penetrate against MS armor alone,
well the rifle from Orlis's Graze is still intact right? they should have salvage that just in case if it still works considering we can see the Barbatos using the Graze's shoulder armor they should have used it too, as well along with whatever is left on his Graze that is a projectile weapon.
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"Graze Custom (グレイズ改 Gureizu Kai) A Graze that is captured by the CGS and heavily customized for Akihiro's use." If that's correct then Akihiro's going to get a "second hand" (war spoils) Graze, so we'll might well see rifle usage before then. Quote:
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While it's definitely better to complement them with range weapons, I would disagree that it's silly. Melee weapons in IBO play a very important role because they're very effective against Nano Laminated Armor. The melee weapons' main purpose is anti-mobile suit combat as mentioned in the HG Barbatos and HG Graze manuals in regards to the Mace and the Battle Axe because guns are not as effective. Barbatos' Mace is made from a rare alloy usually used for mobile suit frames so it's even better than the normal melee weapons. What this means is a "melee first" strategy has its merits in some situations, even if having a ranged weapon is also important. The elements mentioned above can be shown in the Grazes strategy, they opted to also go melee at certain times because that's the best way to deal damage to another mobile suit, otherwise it would have better for both of them to just use rifles all the time, switching to melee only when Barbatos comes close to attack them. But because of the armor, melee weapon are able to play a vital role in tactics. In the previous battle, if we had to choose either a melee weapon or a ranged weapon, Barbatos is probabaly much better off with a melee weapon. This is because it's Nano Laminated Armor provides good protection against ranged for the "most" part (most being some parts are uncovered). The other two Grazes have melee weapons so it would be harder to fight them off with a ranged because their Nano Laminated Armor and it would be harder to defend againts their melee attacks. The Grazes always had the option to go melee/range hybrid since there are two of them which is probably a good balanced strategy. This is not to say that ranged weapon don't do anything against Nano Laminated Armor because they do, otherwise the Graze wouldn't have bothered to shoot at all but melee weapons are the best damage dealer to mobile suits so they have their place in strategy. I do agree however that it's good for Barbatos to have a ranged weapon soon because there's going to be tougher enemies and situations ahead. I don't think it would use the Graze' rifles however for some reason, Barbatos' first ranged weapons we know off would be the "Smoothbore Cannon" from HG Option Set 1. Would be interesting if they mention why they won't be using the Graze' rifle though or they'll just be ignoring it. Quote:
I'm interested in why you think the old power structured collapse though. I heard Kudelia mentioned in the Episode two that the four economic powers took over and divided Mars, I'd always interpreted it as them being the old powers or something but if there can be another interpretation I would be interested because I think it would be more fun for the story if the old structures collapsed. That's usually more "Post-Disaster"-ish.
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"There was once a great conflict known as the "Calamity War." Roughly 300 years have passed since the end of this war. The Earth Sphere had lost its previous governing structure, and a new world was created under new systems of government." Mars was divided into four. Are you suggesting that each of those four is tied to a different group on Earth? I'd assumed that it was unrelated but hmm... I re-checked some background data and saw this: https://youtu.be/mSygLg2_aqs?t=117 Which says that Chryse is a Martian city governed by one of the Earth's major powers. So yeah, it could be that each part of Mars is tied to a different power block on Earth. In Ep 1 that Gjallarhorn guy refers to "Nobliss". I wonder who/what that is. A particular power block on Earth? Last edited by kari-no-sugata II; 2015-10-17 at 10:42. |
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HG Schwalbe Graze Translation
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2015-10-20, 05:25 | Link #79 |
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ever wondered about the origins of Akahiro's custom Graze?, is it made out of by Frankenstein both Orlis's & Crank's Graze? possibly Ein's too since in ep.1 Mika also successfully hacked off some of its parts including a portion of its head, then how they modify the cockpit controls to implement the Alaya-Vijnana sysytem, unless its like a foreshadowing that the Graze is somehow related to any of the 72 Gundams' designs hence allowing the reverse compatibility of the ancient Gundam with the present day Graze & the modification is equivalent of resurrecting 'lost art'.
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So my guess is that they took whatever parts they have from the two Grazes to make at least one Graze with any extras being used on Barbatos or spare parts. Happens all the time to me in gunpla. I screw up some parts on one kit, have to buy another kit just to complete that first kit and end up with a lot of spare parts.
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