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Old 2017-02-05, 22:20   Link #261
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Hard to say, and this author's canon is his to establish, but traditionally there often is something sexual about vampires' eating habits. It's in general considered a metaphor for sex. And yeah, usually the biting involves someone of the opposite sex. They even said as much in episode 1. So it's not completely out of the picture that Hikari might have some lesbian tendencies.
As I said, though, a moot point since Hikari isn't at a stage where she's interested in sex with anyone, and I don't expect that to change before the show finishes its run. It was just a vibe I picked up in Episode 1 and again this week. Probably means nothing.
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Old 2017-02-05, 22:36   Link #262
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Since its an anime thing.
Instead of defaulting to the whole yuri thing.
I saw it as Hikari being fine with biting/nibbling on the ice girl or her sister as just female skinship. Girls in anime are fine with skinship in hotsprings and that stuff, but no way would they do that with guys.

So to her, nibbling on other girls is a form of skinshp, but doing it to guys would be more sexual because they're different genders
Yeah. It looks like she's got a strong instinct to bite and she sometimes needs to relieve that urge. She occasionally looks "ambiguously bi" as TV Tropes puts it but it's more that, as she said before, she can write off imagination and nibbles with girls but with boys it feels sexual. In fact, one could take it to be proof of her heterosexuality: she's fine biting and joking with girls because she feels nothing sexually or romantically toward them, making it nothing more than silly joking, while the idea of biting or nibbling on a boy/man feels distinctly sexual to her and therefore she's not comfortable doing biting anyone but that "special" person.
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Old 2017-02-05, 23:29   Link #263
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Okay, I'm slow. I finally figured out why Hikari does her hair with the two little buns on the sides. They're supposed to look like bat ears.
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Old 2017-02-06, 08:23   Link #264
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Hard to say, and this author's canon is his to establish, but traditionally there often is something sexual about vampires' eating habits. It's in general considered a metaphor for sex. And yeah, usually the biting involves someone of the opposite sex. They even said as much in episode 1. So it's not completely out of the picture that Hikari might have some lesbian tendencies.
Yep, it does have such traditions. There's a manga series called 制服のヴァンピレスロード (Seifuku no Vampiress Lord) where the first chapter was translated recently that uses that concept - I've read the first two volumes and the MC was more surprised at what her taste in blood reveals about herself than becoming a vampire (there's also very clear sexual undertones to drinking blood and having your blood being drunk)

Anyway, with regards to Hikari, it's probably worth bearing in mind that to date she's only been nibbling on her sister. While they seem close they definitely don't seem "dangerously" close. Hikari's interest in Yuki stemmed from her being nice and cool (to touch). In this setting, I don't get the sense there's a "sexual" aspect to it in practice, at least so far.
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Old 2017-02-06, 10:04   Link #265
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I didn't notice it before, but sort of funny that Himari wears a choker with a cross when she's at home. I wonder if there's some significance there... a little bit of subconscious uncertainty perhaps.
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Old 2017-02-06, 10:22   Link #266
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I didn't notice it before, but sort of funny that Himari wears a choker with a cross when she's at home. I wonder if there's some significance there... a little bit of subconscious uncertainty perhaps.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Hikari gave it to her as a present. Seems like the sort of thing she would do.
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Old 2017-02-06, 10:57   Link #267
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I didn't notice it before, but sort of funny that Himari wears a choker with a cross when she's at home. I wonder if there's some significance there... a little bit of subconscious uncertainty perhaps.
Also interesting to note is the keychains on Vampire-chan's and Himari's schoolbags: Vampire-chan's is cute and fluffy whereas Himari's is what you might have expected to be on her sister's schoolbag, that is, if she wasn't so positively rambunctious.
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Old 2017-02-06, 14:04   Link #268
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Hikari nom nom-ing her sister was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. "Nom nom nom nom " "turn the page please " "nom nom nom"
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Old 2017-02-06, 14:34   Link #269
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It's funny how Yuki is literally sweating the moment she says she can't sweat.
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Old 2017-02-06, 14:47   Link #270
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It's funny how Yuki is literally sweating the moment she says she can't sweat.
I noticed that too, actually, and initially wondered about it ... but after thinking about it a bit....

Well, we know she can't sweat in the sense of having a very low number of sweat glands, but she CAN experience a cold sweat. The focus on the episode is that it comes from her feet mainly, but I don't think it necessarily does not allow cold sweat to show up anywhere else. And if it does who knows what the Snow Woman physiology does with it as soon as it comes out?

Of course, perhaps I am just trying to find excuses for what might have been a mishap on the part of the animators.
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Old 2017-02-06, 14:54   Link #271
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I think the visible sweat drop was the usual visual indication that the character is worried or confused. Perhaps the director felt it was needed to indicate Yuki's state-of-mind even though it seemed out-of-place in the context of the scene?
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Old 2017-02-06, 16:38   Link #272
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I posted this elsewhere as part of a larger discussion, but it fits here as well, I think.
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What she said is that she almost never sweats. Than she amended it to say that she can't sweat, which she went to to explain is because she has very few sweat glands. She isn't saying that she doesn't sweat. She is trying to expand her first statement by explaining that her body is physically incapable of producing much sweat.
So basically when she said "I can't sweat" she isn't actually saying she doesn't sweat at all. She's trying to explain the difference between "I don't really sweat much" and "I can't really sweat much." You can't read that line by itself, because it's just part of her larger explanation that the reason the almost never sweats is because she has fewer sweat glands than most people. Her body is adapted to cold environments, so it doesn't need sweat to cool itself off.
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Old 2017-02-06, 19:23   Link #273
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I posted this elsewhere as part of a larger discussion, but it fits here as well, I think.

So basically when she said "I can't sweat" she isn't actually saying she doesn't sweat at all. She's trying to explain the difference between "I don't really sweat much" and "I can't really sweat much." You can't read that line by itself, because it's just part of her larger explanation that the reason the almost never sweats is because she has fewer sweat glands than most people. Her body is adapted to cold environments, so it doesn't need sweat to cool itself off.
Nice detail. Especially since Takahashi-sensei is a biology teacher, the questions about the evolutionary paths of the demi-humans are interesting to explore. Born to ordinary humans we can wonder why their “traits” manifest. Yuuki has a body so well adapted to cold environments that she has fewer sweat glands - which indicates she was already suited for that environment at birth and the adaptation must therefore have taken place in previous generations - through natural selection. Demi-human characteristics are hereditary, in other words, but not all offspring of their parents are demi-humans.

"Once a derived trait is fixed in a lineage, all descendants of that lineage can be expected to manifest the derived trait (or some modification thereof)."


... the inclusion of many specific Yuki-onna legends and regional variations in the folklore was also interesting.
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Old 2017-02-06, 20:46   Link #274
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... Demi-human characteristics are hereditary, in other words, but not all offspring of their parents are demi-humans....
Where did the idea of demi-humans characteristics being hereditary come from? I don't remember that being established in the series, though I do remember it being stated that "Demis are more likely to occur as a result of mutation than genetics." I'm no biology wizard by any means, but does that not imply some kind of spontaneous mutation not based on any hereditary genetics?

It's a weird concept, no matter how you look at it. Two perfectly normal human parents with no non-human hereditary genes producing a non-human offspring with predetermined non-human characteristics. I can imagine the conversation between the obstetrician and Mrs. Machi:

OB/GYN: Oh, by the way, Mrs. Machi...
Mrs, Machi: Yes?
OB/GYN: Have you ever heard of dullahans before?
Mrs, Machi: Um, no...
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Old 2017-02-06, 21:15   Link #275
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Old 2017-02-06, 21:59   Link #276
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Nice detail. Especially since Takahashi-sensei is a biology teacher, the questions about the evolutionary paths of the demi-humans are interesting to explore. Born to ordinary humans we can wonder why their “traits” manifest. Yuuki has a body so well adapted to cold environments that she has fewer sweat glands - which indicates she was already suited for that environment at birth and the adaptation must therefore have taken place in previous generations - through natural selection. Demi-human characteristics are hereditary, in other words, but not all offspring of their parents are demi-humans.

"Once a derived trait is fixed in a lineage, all descendants of that lineage can be expected to manifest the derived trait (or some modification thereof)."


... the inclusion of many specific Yuki-onna legends and regional variations in the folklore was also interesting.
This is directly countered in the show itself. Right at the start they say that the vast majority are the result of mutation, not hereditary traits, and that this is why you can have one of a pair of twins with the trait while the other is just a normal human.
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Old 2017-02-06, 22:44   Link #277
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So, what is the show telling us then? Is it saying the number of sweat glands in Yuuki’s skin had nothing to do with "adaptation" to colder environments? … or is it implied that she reduced the number of sweat glands over the course of her own life time, as a result of living in a cooler region of Japan during the period of her early childhood - prior to transferring into this school in a different region?
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Old 2017-02-06, 23:44   Link #278
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So, what is the show telling us then? Is it saying the number of sweat glands in Yuuki’s skin had nothing to do with "adaptation" to colder environments? … or is it implied that she reduced the number of sweat glands over the course of her own life time, as a result of living in a cooler region of Japan during the period of her early childhood - prior to transferring into this school in a different region?
It is saying that Yuki Onna are adapted to a colder environment due to their mutation. Every Yuki Onna will be that way, but it has nothing to do with their family or their living conditions.
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Old 2017-02-07, 00:03   Link #279
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It is saying that Yuki Onna are adapted to a colder environment due to their mutation. Every Yuki Onna will be that way, but it has nothing to do with their family or their living conditions.
I would rephrase that a little to avoid confusion by saying that Yuki Onna are better suited for life in colder environments. Predisposed. Yuki’s condition doesn't hamper her as much in cooler regions. Her condition did not prevent her from surviving until she reached her reproductive age.

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"Mutations Are the Raw Materials of Evolution"
Nature.]

Interesting that in this Snow Woman focussed episode there is a connection to Lafcadio Hearn (Yakumo Koizumi) through the books Takahashi consulted in this series as well. His Kwaidan and other collections really are very commonly understood points of cultural reference in Japan.

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Hope posting this link is ok: The book Takahashi consults, at Amazon, bundles Lafcadio Hearn's "Kotto" (1902) and "Kwaidan" (1904) in one volume (2014).]

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Old 2017-02-07, 04:13   Link #280
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I get the general impression is that demi's traits are all recessive genes that get switched on by rare chance mutations. The facts there's like a whole two dullahans globally suggests that several chance mutations might be needed to switch the demi traits on.

Something they could play with latter in the narrative is that the present demi are the descendant of the creatures of myth, who small populations were adsorbed into standard humanity. It would neatly explain why all these fully formed species sometimes pop up, as well as explaining why there powers seem less extreme than the creatures of myth were familiar with.
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