Spider-Man: Homecoming (MCU movie)

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Btw, what do you guys think about Sony making their own Spidey-verse that’s completely independent & separate from MCU? They already got Tom Hardy as Venom. Black Cat, Silver Sable and animated Miles Morales Spidey will follow.

Because that worked out so well for them last time...

Originally Posted by justavisitor

However, I don't like Iron-man-know-all attitude in MCU. I am a bit disappointed Tony just knows who spiderman really is before spiderman even makes a debut in his own movie. I actually think Captain America would have something to say regarding Tony putting surveillance camera all over the world. Isn't that exactly what Cap was fighting against in winter soldier??

What gave you the idea that Stark had to set up cameras to figure out who Spider-Man was? Ned said it himself: "You're the Spider-Man! From YouTube!" When you're in a city with 10 million+ people who all have cameras, where passive surveillance is as ubiquitous as it is in any other large city, in a world where everything is online, all Tony needs is processing power. And he's got that in spades.

Presumably 4chan doesn't exist in the MCU, because then everybody would know who Spider-Man is by now...

[justavisitor]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

What gave you the idea that Stark had to set up cameras to figure out who Spider-Man was? Ned said it himself: "You're the Spider-Man! From YouTube!" When you're in a city with 10 million+ people who all have cameras, where passive surveillance is as ubiquitous as it is in any other large city, in a world where everything is online, all Tony needs is processing power. And he's got that in spades.

Presumably 4chan doesn't exist in the MCU, because then everybody would know who Spider-Man is by now...

That's so true lol, I still like the idea that super hero should be able to keep his secret identity tho

Wonder if spider sense can sense ppl taking a pic when the hero starts unmasking. That's exactly what happened in the 1990's anime!

[sayde]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

Well, I am one of them you mentioned

You and me both.

Originally Posted by justavisitor

I will still watch it because it's part of the MCU and peter parker being peter parker the way we are familiar with.

I swear it feels like so many of us watch these movies just out shear obligation at this point. lol

And I can't even be mad about it. Give credit where credit is due. The Disney MCU has made so many amazing movies (out of both popular and obscure characters) over these years that we're willing to give just about anything a chance at this point.

[Magin]

Parts of the trailers I've seen look cool, but having grown up with the 90's animated series, and then immensely enjoying the first two of the early 2000's movies (I still haven't seen the third, and can't convince myself to watch it either), the fact that they're rebooting Spiderman yet again... yes, it incorporates him among the Avengers this time more fully (In the animated series, the most we got was involvement with SHIELD, IIRC), but still, it feels like my childhood is (continuing to be) bastardized. About the only things that look really good are the Vulture (I assume?) looking to be a very interesting villain, and that cruise ship feels like a throwback to the runaway train

[quigonkenny]

There's no Iceman or Firestar, so it's all "bastardized" to my eyes.

But none of that matters. Is it good? Looks good so far, and Holland is the best and most accurate Peter so far from what we've seen. I'm more concerned with the story and setting they've placed around him (a little too Ultimateverse for my blood), but I can still see it working very well, especially if they use the MCU to ground it a bit more in the traditional depiction.

I trust Sony not at all, though. If anyone can screw this up...

[MrTerrorist]

Interesting.

Kevin Feige Confirms Venom Isn’t Part of the MCU

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

^ See? What did I tell you.

Still, until the film is put in the can, things can change (and let's hope it's for the best). But if they really want it to be completely divorced from MCU, well....who wants an R-Rated Venom movie? We know MCU won't make one.

[Ithekro]

Wouldn't Venom be tied to the recent film called Life?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Wouldn't Venom be tied to the recent film called Life?

Haha yeah. I've seen that remark been thrown around a lot in the net. Life is a good movie, it's too bad that Sony messed up its marketing & sked which made the movie flopped.

That made me questions where were the competent people of Sony go since Spiderman 2? Ever since Spiderman 3 happened, I saw a string of bad business decisions from Sony and the company consistently going downhill until Marvel bailed them out (for now). Between those events, they only got rescued time to time by their genuinely good movies (& merchandise rights, I guess) made by those who knew what they were doing. Sony is lucky they didn't end up like Paramount who are desperately holding onto Bayformers movies as their lifeline nowadays.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

The reviews sound great:

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[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

That made me questions where were the competent people of Sony go since Spiderman 2? Ever since Spiderman 3 happened, I saw a string of bad business decisions from Sony and the company consistently going downhill until Marvel bailed them out (for now). Between those events, they only got rescued time to time by their genuinely good movies (& merchandise rights, I guess) made by those who knew what they were doing. Sony is lucky they didn't end up like Paramount who are desperately holding onto Bayformers movies as their lifeline nowadays.

Uniquely we had the Sony hack that showed the Sony Pictures leaders are literally incompetent.

But what made it all worse, was after 2013 they hired Tom Rothman to lead the entire studio.

Why is he so bad? He didn't want to pay for The Titanic, He rejected Deadpool until he left Fox, when Fox made a massive hit out of it. He genuinely think giant robots are stupid and forbid the X-men to have Sentinels, and demanded that Galactus be portrayed as a gas cloud for the same reason. He had Deadpool's mouth sealed. Tom Rothman was not the reason Sony Pictures started having problems, but his management in the last 3 years is clearly making it worse.

The entire staff of Sony Pictures need to be fired. But since they run the studio no one is left to fire them.

Ant it bares repeating, that Sony Pictures lost so much money last quarter, that they devoured half of Playstation division's profits. HALF. Playstation is literally the dominant gaming brand on Earth right now and Sony Pictures is ruining everything.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

^ Yeah, I really don't like Rothman and his "genius" decisions for CBMs.

Also, here's a couple of more 'balanced' reviews of Homecoming:

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[bakato]

For anyone who's seen the movie, would you say that Peter's desire to prove himself interfering with his heroics?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Venom is confirmed in the same reality as Spiderman (& MCU?)

Well, that happens. Let's see how things will go from here.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Venom is confirmed in the same reality as Spiderman (& MCU?)

Well, that happens. Let's see how things will go from here.

Yeah, I think we basically have the lines drawn after the back and forth interviews. As far as Marvel is concerned Venom and the spinoffs have no connection to the MCU. For Sony events it's more shady. Just have events unfold similarly to the MCU without any direct names referenced and can imply their connection to the MCU.

[bakato]

Summary's out on the wiki. Lot of balls get dropped.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Yeah, I think we basically have the lines drawn after the back and forth interviews. As far as Marvel is concerned Venom and the spinoffs have no connection to the MCU. For Sony events it's more shady. Just have events unfold similarly to the MCU without any direct names referenced and can imply their connection to the MCU.

Basically it's analogous to the Marvel TV-verse. The Sony movies might reference the MCU movies (other than the Spidey movies, which of course will reference them), but the MCU movies (potentially including the Spidey movies) will not be referencing the Sony movies.

At least up until Disney buys Sony's failing movie division and folds everything together. Then I imagine we'll get something akin to the Marvel Max imprint when it comes to Venom and any such "not family friendly" comic properties that Marvel decides to adapt or reacquire, and Venom will remain largely separate from the MCU proper.

[Ruki0089]

Alright, the movie is really good... While I have to watch a very inexperienced Spiderman.... This movie really good... I can't wait to watch the sequel...

[aohige]

Ok, just got back. Soooooooo.... inevitable comparison with one of the greatest superhero movie, Rami's Spiderman 2.

It's.... it's a hard choice. As a film I think the scale tips towards Raimi's 2.
But doing Peter AND Spiderman perfectly absolutely goes to HC.
The problem was Maguire was a perfect Peter, but meh Spidey. Garfield was an amazing Spidy, but meh Peter.
Tom Holland totally nails BOTH roles perfectly. And Keaton Vulture was on par an amazing villain as DocOc.

Marvel just lays down and shows how it's done. Again. Fantastic film, I can't wait to see what they do next.
It would be awesome if we see Sinister Six.
And I really really really want to see JJJ in MCU!

[Twi]

Just saw the movie. It's his coming of age story, and its good.

But, here are some points that stuck with me (slight spoilers):

Spoiler for Movie Spoilers:

• Happy Hogan, Peter's contact with Stark, spends most of the movie being a serious jerk. I mean, he clearly doesn't like having Peter around, so he ignores him and he does some stupid stuff that I honestly would have had him fired over. So yeah, screw him.
• Ned is basically Ganke. He really is. Even when it comes to learning Peter/Miles is Spider-Man.
• That suit takes a beating and still doesn't get scratched. What did Stark make it out of?
• The fact that Tony considered the Vulture below his pay-grade was really stupid. Now I get that he probably said that to keep Peter off the case, as the boat scene shows, but I can see why the Vulture thinks the way he does when it comes to him.
• The first Shocker was asking for what happened to him. He couldn't telegraph that any harder if he tried.
• Why would Peter hit alien tech with a hammer in shop class? That was begging for trouble. And that teacher was just incompetent for not noticing. All of them are when I think about it.
• That school has a ton of security issues, and I say that as someone who went to a public school with better security. Adults literally walk on the grounds without any trouble or being questioned, and they have no security cameras either apparently given what Peter does.
• Why wasn't there a camera in the Damage Control facility? You can't keep that tech locked away without someone monitoring it. It was asking to be stolen.
• Tony didn't have to rub Peter's failures in, but he had a point about the boat. Still a dick though. I see why Vulture hates him.
• Peter lived out every boyfriend's worst nightmare, as Miles could attest to in the Ultimate Universe. At least he didn't take the offer for a drink.
• He ruined Liz's life.