Macross Frontier - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[sekidousai]

Yes i can say they are fighting for the frontier. Canaria said "for the sake of his future""It's for the best.". I think she speaks for everyone on SMS...

.. IMHO Canaria and Bobby got more balls than Alto ^^.

They are fighting against the homicidal power hungry president with a Cate Blanchett hair cut. Who would not want to go against that ^^.

Spoiler for Leon's Ancestor(warning large image):

[CaptGloval]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

You know, if all Grace needed was a singer with cancer causing fold wave emissions, why go to all the effort and expense into making her an Idol? And if she did give Sheryl the disease, why not a bunch of other gutter brats?

Gotta get some funding for her research, so if her idol can sell millions of records, why not?

Originally Posted by sekidousai

lols . I think it was also called section-chief Oji... That was a lot of fun specially with his flying V and oversized speakers... ^^ and I liked his heavy metal better than Basara ^^...(hides under the desk again)

His music powers the weapons!!! There was some ecchi in that anime, right?

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by sekidousai

Yes i can say they are fighting for the frontier. Canaria said "for the sake of his future""It's for the best.". I think she speaks for everyone on SMS...

Ok. And what if her son died as consequence of a random Vajra attack on the Frontier, when the SMS crew is conveniently absent? Would that be good? Are they absolute and positively sure that something like that won't happen again, while they're gone? Was Cathy and Ozma's research so detailed as to show such a possibility as completely unlikely? Could it be?

To me, the decision to effectively abandon Frontier, even if it was "for their own good", wasn't really all that mature. Of course, it could turn out to be quite alright, but it's not something that looks like it, so far. At least, not until I see their whole reasoning - and what was on the message Cathy sent.

.. IMHO Canaria and Bobby got more balls than Alto ^^.

Now, I can't argue with that. Nor would I want to...

Originally Posted by CaptGloval

Gotta get some funding for her research, so if her idol can sell millions of records, why not?

That seems like as good a reason as any.
And maybe, just maybe, she was trying to disguise herself and put some distance between her previous scientist/researcher persona?

[glyph]

Originally Posted by CaptGloval

Gotta get some funding for her research, so if her idol can sell millions of records, why not?

Sheryl's pan galactic concert tour was a convenient front (Operation Carnival) for Grace to scope out fleets to use as Galaxy's proxy/scapegoat without arousing suspicion.

[Wesley84]

The majority of the SMS must not be personally invested in whether or not Frontier survives. Either that or Ozma throws really awesome company parties.

Originally Posted by CaptGloval

Gotta get some funding for her research, so if her idol can sell millions of records, why not?

Except Grace has Galaxy's backing. Money shouldn't be a problem.

[Darial]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

I just cant shake the wondering of what they have in store for Sheryl, its actually driving me quite mad because i keep dwelling on it. With them waving her death flags at every turn i cant help but to wonder if they are using misdirection at this point.

With them waiving this many death flags, I'd be really shocked if Sheryl actually gets the pineapple salad. That'd be just too obvious in a show where they have taken a real delight in trolling us.

[sekidousai]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Ok. And what if her son died as consequence of a random Vajra attack on the Frontier, when the SMS crew is conveniently absent? Would that be good? Are they absolute and positively sure that something like that won't happen again, while they're gone? Was Cathy and Ozma's research so detailed as to show such a possibility as completely unlikely? Could it be?

To me, the decision to effectively abandon Frontier, even if it was "for their own good", wasn't really all that mature. Of course, it could turn out to be quite alright, but it's not something that looks like it, so far. At least, not until I see their whole reasoning - and what was on the message Cathy sent.

Even so. Canaria knew that Ozma is looking into a bigger picture. Bigger than just fighting the Vajra with blind hate like what Alto is doing. That is knowing who their true enemy is. They are fighting for a future more safer than what Leon could make or think he is making. ...Hopefully the encrypted message Cathy sent will explain everything... And yeah... you can't go wrong with being a pirate ^^...

♪ Yar - har - fiddle-dee-dee, being a pirate is alright with me!
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate! ♫

damn i so missed the Jolly Roger logo from the skull squadron.

Originally Posted by CaptGloval

His music powers the weapons!!! There was some ecchi in that anime, right?

Yup he powers the alien chic's weapons, but i don't know about the ecchi part, maybe a little bit.

[CaptGloval]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

Except Grace has Galaxy's backing. Money shouldn't be a problem.

Somebody gave the correct answer:

Originally Posted by glyph

Sheryl's pan galactic concert tour was a convenient front (Operation Carnival) for Grace to scope out fleets to use as Galaxy's proxy/scapegoat without arousing suspicion.

Originally Posted by sekidousai

Yup he powers the alien chic's weapons, but i don't know about the ecchi part, maybe a little bit.

My friend claimed he chanced upon some sexy time. But nah... enough about that.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Didn't Bobby say seven-tenths of the personnel joined them?
How that distributes among the ranks is another story.

Yea i remember that part and instantly i started thinking about what minimal staff it would take to run quarter not to mention pilot's and supplies. Even without knowing the exact number it obvious they are lacking.

Originally Posted by sekidousai

Hmmm... they are certainly lacking in the pilot dept. they only have Mu La Flaga and no Kira aboard the quarter. Will there be another side character for the pilot?.... well this hopefully means more screentime for the Koenig Monster ...

GOD i have been wishing for Konig Monster ass kicking since its debut in episode 7. They give us that great scene with Carinia firing some serious artillery, then she gets reduce to being Ranka's chaffer.

Originally Posted by Darial

With them waiving this many death flags, I'd be really shocked if Sheryl actually gets the pineapple salad. That'd be just too obvious in a show where they have taken a real delight in trolling us.

I no clue what they are planning but its going to make me need therapy. I think they are having a hell of time keeping all the fans in perpetual darkness.

[monir]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

I like to think Grace turned out evil because raising Sheryl sapped all the compassion right out of her.

lol.. If we follow this line of thinking, it's a very good thing Grace didn't raise Ranka. Can you imagine the kind of dramatic transformation her personality would have undergone if she had to look after Ranka all these years? The last time she was in the vicinity of Ranka for few moments, she wanted to blow up a planet. Correction: she did.

Come on, Wesley, it's time to forgive and forget.

P.S. To Sekidousai: It's been nagging me for sometime. I've finally given in to my curiosity and looked in my folder. Guess what I've found? I'll tell you... I've found the model of inspiration behind Sheryl's character design.

Spoiler for Please use discretion if one is an ultra sensitive Sheryl-fan ^___^:

I was at work, so it was very difficult to explain why I was in convulsion from time to time for a certain period in moments. I lol'ed like an idiot.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by monir

Spoiler for Please use discretion if one is an ultra sensitive Sheryl-fan ^___^:

Who the heck is that?!?

[KiNA]

I should have -rep you, monir =.=

[monir]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Who the heck is that?!?

An artist who relies on music to save the universe, just like our Macross idol, Sheryl and Ranka. The show is called Kachou O-ji that aired in 1999. It seems Sekidousai is the only one who has seen this show thus far.

Originally Posted by KiNA

I should have -rep you, monir =.=

Sorry KiNA-kun. Can you imagine how upset I was when I recalled?

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by monir

lol.. If we follow this line of thinking, it's a very good thing Grace didn't raise Ranka. Can you imagine the kind of dramatic transformation her personality would have undergone if she had to look after Ranka all these years? The last time she was in the vicinity of Ranka for few moments, she wanted to blow up a planet. Correction: she did.

...She'd become a man?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

The majority of the SMS must not be personally invested in whether or not Frontier survives. Either that or Ozma throws really awesome company parties.
.

That's one thing I don't get.

Since they all ran off, how do they expect to fight against Leon and NOT endanger Frontier?

Wouldn't it make sense to go incognito and assassinate/discredit Leon? Can't do it when you just ran off in a battleship to god knows where. Unless they are waiting for Leon to make a mistake so they swoop in and take advantage of it.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

That's one thing I don't get.

Since they all ran off, how do they expect to fight against Leon and NOT endanger Frontier?

Wouldn't it make sense to go incognito and assassinate/discredit Leon? Can't do it when you just ran off in a battleship to god knows where. Unless they are waiting for Leon to make a mistake so they swoop in and take advantage of it.

There are couple of things. Leon is trying to absorb the SMS into the NUNS, which as you can imagine, is not something the SMS crews prefer. Moreover, staying on the Frontier does not help the situation, because as you know, Leon is a conspirator who murdered the president, while Ozma and co. are at their present situation, quite helpless. Sure, it is easy to say that Ozma should just discredit or simply assassinate (although the latter option is more difficult still) Leon, but even the first case cannot be proven. I think they made a sensible choice in escaping the Frontier, because as far as things are concerned, staying is hopeless.

- Tak

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Tak

I think they made a sensible choice in escaping the Frontier, because as far as things are concerned, staying is hopeless.

- Tak

I also think they made the right choice for the same reasons!

[BetoJR]

I don't. First of all, what kind of evidence was that, which could be destroyed and they didn't have a single backup? Second of all, how can they just swoop in, when Leon makes a mistake? Third of all, they fought their old allies for real, no theatrics, there.

So, no, I'm not digging SMS part in this, after the last episode...

[Tak]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

I don't. First of all, what kind of evidence was that, which could be destroyed and they didn't have a single backup? Second of all, how can they just swoop in, when Leon makes a mistake? Third of all, they fought their old allies for real, no theatrics, there.

So, no, I'm not digging SMS part in this, after the last episode...

They are taking a gamble really, making a bet. Then again, a lot of things that went on in Frontier were results of taking risks. Leon took his, and now Ozma is going to do the same thing. Yes, SMS fought against their former allies, but if you notice, there were no casualties during their brief engagement.

Although it should be said that perhaps swooping in to save the day might be a bit far-fetched, but staying wasn't much of a viable option, either. At least they can plan their next move. Moreover, don't forget that humans control a good portion of the Galaxy, and the Frontier isn't the only colony.

- Tak

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Tak

There are couple of things. Leon is trying to absorb the SMS into the NUNS, which as you can imagine, is not something the SMS crews prefer. Moreover, staying on the Frontier does not help the situation, because as you know, Leon is a conspirator who murdered the president, while Ozma and co. are at their present situation, quite helpless. Sure, it is easy to say that Ozma should just discredit or simply assassinate (although the latter option is more difficult still) Leon, but even the first case cannot be proven. I think they made a sensible choice in escaping the Frontier, because as far as things are concerned, staying is hopeless.

- Tak

So what exactly do they hope to achieve then by running away? Frontier is on its last legs and will inevitably fall to a Vajra attack so fighting against Frontier will deplete it of even more resources and make it vulnerable to attack unless they are waiting for Leon to make a mistake.