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I apologise for the lack of wall of text, but I haven't actually read the latest chapter yet, so.
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2010-07-27, 22:27 | Link #7002 | ||
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When you have characters like Hina and Ayumu who have had a lot of romantic development for the entire manga, or like Athena who have been introduced almost purely for that purpose, you can say there's also other side to this manga. I don't know. A no romantic end wouldn't surprise me at all. In fact, is one of the endings I'm actually expecting, but I've got to admit that, in my opinion, it would be terribly off-putting.
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2010-07-27, 22:49 | Link #7003 | ||
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(I wouldn't call this scene romantic, exactly, just interesting.) In any event, I'm tired so I'm skipping this for now. Quote:
To me, this series didn't add romance later, it was a romantic comedy from the get-go with Hayate/Nagi/Maria forming the initial love triangle and other relationships added as things went along. I'll chat more in the morning... Last edited by madmac; 2010-07-27 at 23:22. |
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2010-07-28, 04:54 | Link #7004 |
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I think it's the other way round: Hata could afford to lift Athena up so much, way beyond what the other girls succeeded in, BECAUSE he always knew - in advance - that he'd take Athena out of the story afterwards, at least for the time being. And he added the "or I'll return to claim him" twist to throw a bone to the A-tan faction.
If she were to return, he'd either have to go for an ending soon, or he'd have to reduce Athena to the level of the other girls (which would certainly not please the A-tan fans). So I doubt that we'll see her anytime soon. |
2010-07-28, 05:29 | Link #7005 | ||
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I really don't expect her to show up anytime soon and be reduced to another girl chasing Hayate around in the background. It would end up being banal and out of character for her, I think. On a different note, I find it very interesting that Ayumu's birthday story ended up focusing more on her relationship with Nagi then with Hayate. I know they bonded pretty strongly over Golden Week but it was nice to see that affirmation (Nagi-chan dai suki! *glomp*) It goes both ways of course--Nagi was the one who wanted to do something special for the Hamster to begin with. I'd love to see Ayumu become a tenant somehow. Quote:
I'm not sure what to expect from Hina anymore. She's still got that confession card, but it's quickly becoming more of an emotional burden then her secret weapon. Her confession early in the series could have been very powerful (Which is probably why it didn't happen) but unless something changes it's going to be more about Hina letting go then anything else. Ayumu's story is all about love, empathy, and friendship, and I adore her for that. She's got the opposite problem from Hina, where she's been completely straightforward and awesome with Hayate but as she says herself states a number of times "He still won't look at her." Hmmm...When you consider that Ayumu and Hina were introduced at roughly the same time in the manga, it's probably not a coincidence that their personalities and problems are almost completely opposite. Those two were always meant to be a pair, I think. (I don't mean that as a couple, just that their stories were meant to be intertwined from the start.) Last edited by madmac; 2010-07-28 at 05:53. |
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2010-07-28, 05:56 | Link #7006 |
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Hayate fooled her the hard way by asking her when is her birthday, pretending that he doesn't know, right?
That worked, but does he explain in the end, or does Ayumu assume it was all Nagi's doing? That she remembered it and called everyone together? Remember, she was against it at first. Still, where the heck is Chiharu? -___- Tch....
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2010-07-28, 06:03 | Link #7007 | |
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I'm not bothered by her not going to the party though. She'd never even met Ayumu and would have just felt like a hanger-on when everyone else there were close friends. (Can't answer the rest of your post, my Japanese isn't good enough.) |
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2010-07-28, 06:09 | Link #7008 |
Are you a lolicon? :3
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Precisely why she should have went. They could have meet, and became friends, but I guess that Hata has something else in store for them. Well, they'll eventually meet, since Chiharu now lives in the same house as Hayate and Nagi.
Ayumu is bound to visit them sometime... Anyway, Nagi did sort of protest against it. She thought it was troublesome, and without Chiharu's motivation, she'd never go along with it. She'd just say that it can't be helped, or deliver a gift by proxy. At least that's how I picture it.... @BigMac™ Well, by the looks of it, Hayate didn't have enough time to say that much. This manga has a lot of misunderstandings, so it might be possible that Ayumu assumed that Nagi was the one who made it up, while it was Hayate in the first place who remembered her birthday, etc... Maybe we'll get the answer in the next chapter, or newer ones. This week's picture on Hata's blog is Yukariko (I think). It might be someone else. I'm kinda forgetful and I certainly don't remember all the characters, so go ahead and state your own opinion. http://websunday.net/backstage/hata/ Perhaps the Luca arc is going to start soon...? Guess that's it for the birthday, huh? :/
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Which is why it's funny that Chiharu already has her number and doesn't put up with her crap. Quote:
Ok, I went back and looked at it. All Hayate does is wish her a Happy Birthday and then Nagi tells her it's a surprise party. Quote:
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2010-07-28, 10:22 | Link #7011 | |||
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Honestly, I do understand where you're coming from. You're hardly the only person that sees the relationship between Nagi and Hayate as being fundamentally a non-romantic one. I just can't see it the same way in a series where you have giant robots snarking that Hayate needs to quit the rom-com nonsense while he and Nagi make googlie eyes at each other or where the first volume closes by essentially saying "There's no way this 13 year girl could make this delicate relationship we're subtly contrasting to a flower work...or can she?" To say nothing of the omakes poking fun of Nagi for being so slow and not even managing to kiss her man after the first year of the manga. Even ignoring all that, Nagi is every bit as in love with Hayate as Ayumu and Hina are, and that makes her a viable romantic interest. It's not as if Hayate has expressed strong romantic interest in anyone besides Athena at this point anyway. His feelings are still up for grabs. Quote:
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2010-07-28, 12:47 | Link #7012 | ||
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This is why I'm saying, if there's ever actual romantic development for Nagi, as in scenes with obvious romantic undertones like those Hina, Ayumu, Athena, and to some extent Maria have had, then I'll consider her a romantic interest. Then again, the good thing about this, is that this is my viewpoint of things, and nothing objective at all. So, you do not need to agree. Quote:
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2010-07-28, 13:04 | Link #7013 |
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Well, fair enough. Obviously I see a lot more romantic development between them then you do, but it's not worth squabbling about. I still think it mostly comes down to expectations. I see a slow build up of trust and affection that will (probably) eventually blossom into something more, but obviously Hayate isn't just going to up and decide he really wants to make out with a 13 year old. Heck, even Maria jokes about that being a very bad thing, and she's a Nagi supporter all the way.
And that doesn't stop them from hitting all the romantic comedy cliches. Nagi has kissed Hayate twice, had Hayate walk in on her naked twice, ect. They get tossed into these sorts of situations all the time, no matter how much Hayate insists he's totally not a lolicon. Alternately, to reuse an old joke of mine, nobody likes their little sister THAT much. Last edited by madmac; 2010-07-28 at 13:15. |
2010-07-28, 13:32 | Link #7014 | |
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It does help that Hayate is less her butler now, because she doesn't have the huge amount of money she used to, and thus his dedication to her because she paid off his debt is the biggest reason he stays with her now. I don't expect anything serious to happen between them until at least December, when she is able to claim another year under her belt, and a whole year spent with Hayate. Theirs seems like a relationship that is built over time rather than the love-at-first-sight style the other girls have.
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2010-07-28, 13:38 | Link #7015 | |
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That's a big fat lie dude. Nagi fell in love with Hayate as fast as any of the other girls - Hina being the slowest in realising what her feelings toward Hayate really were. Hayate may be a different issue, regarding his feelings. But, no matter who he ends up with, it won't be due to love-at-first-sight.
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2010-07-28, 13:45 | Link #7016 | ||
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2010-07-28, 14:01 | Link #7017 | |
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Hinagiku - When he brought her to the balcony to look out over the city, many of her other scenes do more about her tsun- attitude than actually move the relationship anywhere. Ayumu - When he caught her while her bike was about to go over a cliff Izumi - When he rescued her (stuffed animal) from the 'viscous' dog (Lucky) Chiharu - When he gave her a massage Athena - When he took her offered hand All based on single scenes, but Nagi's affection is continually tested and reaffirmed in different ways, in her view. Isumi & Sakuya - When he acts like the big brother figure they hadn't had growing up. But it's even more of a familial relationship for them that they're on the fringes of the harem anyways
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Er, what? There is no romantic relationship between Hayate and Nagi whatsoever. Everything is 100% one-sided from Nagi, from chapter 1 where she misunderstood him. Nagi isn't even a blip on Hayate's romantic radar, because he doesn't consider her dating material at all. He's her guardian, her butler, her protector. He would walk in on her naked and not even flinch. She would kiss him, and he wouldn't even have a second thought about it. Their relationship now is exactly like the relationship in chapter 1: Nagi thinks they're in a relationship, Hayate doesn't consider her romantically whatsoever. There is some development for Nagi - slooooow development, away from sheltered Hikikomori-dom, and towards a more open personality. But she's still a far shot from mature. If I've missed a scene where Hayate thinks of her in a romantic way, please be so kind and give me a chapter/page reference. Quote:
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2010-07-28, 14:29 | Link #7019 | ||
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I definitely think there's a bit of bias in saying that Ayumu and Hina have "real" romantic development that the other girls lack, given that most of the scenarios involve Hayate going on a date or presenting a gift as a form of "thank you" for something or other, no matter what they're thinking. It's all largely one-sided in the end. For obvious reasons, of course. Edit: Quote:
Hayate is oblivious to Nagi's affections, but he only grows more and more attached and devoted to her as time goes on. Nagi's feelings have grown and matured as well. As a pair, they easily have the most developed relationship in the series. Hina, by comparison, is still stuck in "Must be nice to Hina, or she'll kill me" where she's been for over a hundred chapters now. For all her inner turmoil, he's still convinced she pretty much hates him. Last edited by madmac; 2010-07-28 at 14:42. |
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It would go straight to the KGNE level of angst drama. Athena - Girl he broke a promise to Nagi - Girl he made a new promise to
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