AnimeSuki Forums

Nera Sleith · 2011-05-07, 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Oho that clears it up....thanks. I seewhy Europeans would name her Tsao tsao direct from Cao Cao but on Koko/Keke?

Not too sure about how current mandarin and ancient mandarin pronunciations differ so can't tell....

And yar...I initially thought that was an alias too.....can see why Aria thinks that way.

EDIT: Just remembered...Koko is a Hongkonger yes? Is that how Cao Cao is pronounced in Cantonese? My Cantonese sucks bad since I never use it round the house so can someone clarify?

Yeah, well for me I thought Koko was her real name, I'm not really familiar with Chinese reading either so I was thinking like Aria at that time. But when I saw her image with a name Cao Cao in v7 illustrations. I was like, "aha so that was it".

I'm not sure if I come across this when reading Sherlock Holmes' novel, but can Sherlock speak Chinese? He might have called Koko "Tsao Tsao" when he saw the written name. Otherwise, Koko would just introduce herself as Koko like when her first encounter with Aria and Kinji, and that's how she'll be called in EU.

Maybe Hikari or kira can clarify that. (I mean your edit part) I wish I can speak Chinese in this time, since there will be alot of circumstance where Chinese knowledge is needed in v6-7. And I'm planning to translate some parts of v7 though.

ZeKeR · 2011-05-07, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nera Sleith

Yeah, well for me I thought Koko was her real name, I'm not really familiar with Chinese reading either so I was thinking like Aria at that time. But when I saw her image with a name Cao Cao in v7 illustrations. I was like, "aha so that was it".

I'm not sure if I come across this when reading Sherlock Holmes' novel, but can Sherlock speak Chinese? He might have called Koko "Tsao Tsao" when he saw the written name. Otherwise, Koko would just introduce herself as Koko like when her first encounter with Aria and Kinji, and that's how she'll be called in EU.

Maybe Hikari or kira can clarify that. (I mean your edit part) I wish I can speak Chinese in this time, since there will be alot of circumstance where Chinese knowledge is needed in v6-7. And I'm planning to translate some parts of v7 though.

Nera, you not being Ethereal anymore? Cool. Im currently rereading all chaps for polishing if needed... lol

Icy.Tear · 2011-05-08, 02:12

...Koko was how Cao Cao is pronounced in Wei? I don't believe that. Well, whatever. I guess that means we're keeping her name as Koko. But, are we going to mention the ancestor Cao Cao as Koko in relevant cases, (E.G. when the furigana says Koko) and add a translator's note?

In Cantonese, it's pronounced something like "Cou Cou"...Well, I guess there's a 'h' before the 'o's on both ends. So, "Chou Chou"

In Mandarin, it's still pronounced Cao Cao, the same as the Japanese romanization in pronunciation.

And Sherlock could probably speak Chinese.

Nera Sleith · 2011-05-08, 03:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeKeR

Nera, you not being Ethereal anymore? Cool. Im currently rereading all chaps for polishing if needed... lol

Yeah, but I've got some moving to do after my finals. I think it will be next month, or if sooner, later this month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoakeNoHikari

...Koko was how Cao Cao is pronounced in Wei? I don't believe that. Well, whatever. I guess that means we're keeping her name as Koko. But, are we going to mention the ancestor Cao Cao as Koko in relevant cases, (E.G. when the furigana says Koko) and add a translator's note?

And Sherlock could probably speak Chinese.

I am not really familiar with that, so I can't really confirm. But that's what according to what's written in v7.

I also agree with keeping her name as Koko, and when it was written as Cao Cao with Koko as furigana, add a translator note with them, yeah.

If Sherlock can speak Chinese, the misunderstanding in the HnA novel is consistent to the Sherlock novel then.

Icy.Tear · 2011-05-08, 05:59

Yeah, I know. I don't see the people from the Cao Wei province calling Cao Cao Koko though. Just...doesn't click.

If Aria can speak 17 languages and she's 16 years old, then "The Man Beyond Space and Time" might just speak a few more ^^

Athena · 2011-05-08, 06:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoakeNoHikari

Yeah, I know. I don't see the people from the Cao Wei province calling Cao Cao Koko though. Just...doesn't click.

If Aria can speak 17 languages and she's 16 years old, then "The Man Beyond Space and Time" might just speak a few more ^^

Impossible to me. So how did the Wei call Cao Cao's son then? Ko Pi instead of Cao Pi?

From what I understand, the European took the romanization since the 'c' is pronounced like a 'ts', and a 'k' is used to make the 'k' sound. But in English, the 'c' is either pronounced like a 'k' or a 's'. I think that it's what made the confusion. Normally, when a Chinese go to another country, they keep the romanization as the name, and many mistakes are made (e.g. The 'r' is pronounced like a 'l' in Chinese.)

My writing and translating skills in Chinese may not be as good as Yoake, but that I speak well enough.

Icy.Tear · 2011-05-08, 06:17

Yeah, I just don't think that Cao Cao's name was ever pronounced as Ko Ko.

But, at least a consensus has been reached. We follow the novel as far as Koko and Cao Cao goes. When the furigana/katakana says Koko, leave it as Koko. When it says Sao Sao or Tsao Tsao or whatever it says, use Cao Cao.

Another question:

This goes under the furigana thing, and I agree with Larethian that it should be left to my discretion, but I felt the need to check:

双蛇刎颈崩 - Furigana: シャンシケイケイホー

Now, as any Chinese speaker knows, this is pronounced: Shuang She Wen Jing Beng. However, the furigana says: Shan Shi Kei Kei Hou.

Lolwut.

I see the resemblance between Shuang She and Shan Shi, and that's where it ends.

So, actual Chinese pronunciation, or the furigana provided. I'm going to go with the furigana for now, in case that's another 'Wen' pronuncation that I don't know about >.>

And, before anybody asks the Cantonese pronunciation: ...I'm not going to attempt this. http://sepc495.se.cuhk.edu.hk/cuvocal/. Copy and paste it.

So, is the 刎颈崩 pronounced like that in Japanese? (I have no idea.) Or, is it just another Wei thing.

Nera Sleith · 2011-05-08, 08:14

Jeanne's seiyuu is announced: Guess who it was...

Spoiler for guess who?:

Icy.Tear · 2011-05-08, 08:16

Oh my fucking god.

Kniiiiightttttmaaaareeeeee

tsunade666 · 2011-05-08, 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nera Sleith

Jeanne's seiyuu is announced: Guess who it was...

Spoiler for guess who?:

WoW NICE!!!! a servant had arrive.

Icy.Tear · 2011-05-08, 08:26

Suddenly, our entire F/SN conversation seems to be so relevant.

blitz1/2 · 2011-05-08, 08:28

at least it's good news that she isn't being cut from the show. xD

tsunade666 · 2011-05-08, 08:34

well they can't cut Jeanne on the show but they can at least butchered her ;_; it's all up to the staff.

And I really hate the idea of a rushed one. Please be contented on vol 3 ending.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-08, 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoakeNoHikari

...Koko was how Cao Cao is pronounced in Wei? I don't believe that. Well, whatever. I guess that means we're keeping her name as Koko. But, are we going to mention the ancestor Cao Cao as Koko in relevant cases, (E.G. when the furigana says Koko) and add a translator's note?

In Cantonese, it's pronounced something like "Cou Cou"...Well, I guess there's a 'h' before the 'o's on both ends. So, "Chou Chou"

In Mandarin, it's still pronounced Cao Cao, the same as the Japanese romanization in pronunciation.

And Sherlock could probably speak Chinese.

Maybe that's why Akamatsu calls her Koko? Because of the Cantonese pronunciation?

Wei covers Luoyang and much of the central plains around there....what is the dialect commonly spoken there? Wasn't it plain old Mandarin like in Beijing and the rest of the Imperial strongholds?

Marcus H. · 2011-05-08, 09:19

Just want to ask: when is the first ever mention of the term Hihiirokane and/or the cross of Riko's mother?

tsunade666 · 2011-05-08, 09:21

riko's cross was first mention when Riko ask for help to retrieve it from Vlad in vol 3. Irokane was mentioned from Holmes research about Hidan in vol 5.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-08, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoakeNoHikari

Yeah, I just don't think that Cao Cao's name was ever pronounced as Ko Ko.

But, at least a consensus has been reached. We follow the novel as far as Koko and Cao Cao goes. When the furigana/katakana says Koko, leave it as Koko. When it says Sao Sao or Tsao Tsao or whatever it says, use Cao Cao.

Another question:

This goes under the furigana thing, and I agree with Larethian that it should be left to my discretion, but I felt the need to check:

双蛇刎颈崩 - Furigana: シャンシケイケイホー

Now, as any Chinese speaker knows, this is pronounced: Shuang She Wen Jing Beng. However, the furigana says: Shan Shi Kei Kei Hou.

Lolwut.

I see the resemblance between Shuang She and Shan Shi, and that's where it ends.

So, actual Chinese pronunciation, or the furigana provided. I'm going to go with the furigana for now, in case that's another 'Wen' pronuncation that I don't know about >.>

And, before anybody asks the Cantonese pronunciation: ...I'm not going to attempt this. http://sepc495.se.cuhk.edu.hk/cuvocal/. Copy and paste it.

So, is the 刎颈崩 pronounced like that in Japanese? (I have no idea.) Or, is it just another Wei thing.

Beng is pronounced Hou in Jap and Jing is pronounced Kei....Not too sure on Wen...

It appears that Akamatsu is using the pronunciations closest to Mandarin to romanize kanji...

I'm not sure if he is actually fluent in it or not...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nera Sleith

Jeanne's seiyuu is announced: Guess who it was...

Spoiler for guess who?:

Well she does look like Saber in her armour....

Marcus H. · 2011-05-08, 09:26

Well, crap. So it means that Riko's hair ability will not be explained until Volume 3?

tsunade666 · 2011-05-08, 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Well, crap. So it means that Riko's hair ability will not be explained until Volume 3?

Nope. It won't and in the second volume witch and wizards battle will be shown. And ability users and race blood line for vol 3. While a bit of secret of the setting will be shown in vol 4 and 5.2

The first 1-5 volumes are prologue to story settings. The real story starts in vol 6. With EU start moving in not an organize way.

Marcus H. · 2011-05-08, 09:33

The anime adaptation will be a weird adventure, that's for sure. o_o

2011-05-08, 06:17	Link #647
Icy.Tear 二人は独自の世界を展開 Join Date: Apr 2011	Yeah, I just don't think that Cao Cao's name was ever pronounced as Ko Ko. But, at least a consensus has been reached. We follow the novel as far as Koko and Cao Cao goes. When the furigana/katakana says Koko, leave it as Koko. When it says Sao Sao or Tsao Tsao or whatever it says, use Cao Cao. Another question: This goes under the furigana thing, and I agree with Larethian that it should be left to my discretion, but I felt the need to check: 双蛇刎颈崩 - Furigana: シャンシケイケイホー Now, as any Chinese speaker knows, this is pronounced: Shuang She Wen Jing Beng. However, the furigana says: Shan Shi Kei Kei Hou. Lolwut. I see the resemblance between Shuang She and Shan Shi, and that's where it ends. So, actual Chinese pronunciation, or the furigana provided. I'm going to go with the furigana for now, in case that's another 'Wen' pronuncation that I don't know about >.> And, before anybody asks the Cantonese pronunciation: ...I'm not going to attempt this. http://sepc495.se.cuhk.edu.hk/cuvocal/. Copy and paste it. So, is the 刎颈崩 pronounced like that in Japanese? (I have no idea.) Or, is it just another Wei thing. Last edited by Icy.Tear; 2011-05-08 at 07:36.

2011-05-08, 08:14	Link #648
Nera Sleith 我らがツインテールに、勝る萌え無し! Join Date: Jan 2011	Jeanne's seiyuu is announced: Guess who it was... Spoiler for guess who?: Kawasumi Ayako OMG It's Saber!! http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/aria/staf...staffcast.html デュランダル：川澄綾子 __________________

2011-05-08, 08:28	Link #652
blitz1/2 Tenshi's Defense Squadron Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Fighting against those who oppress the system	at least it's good news that she isn't being cut from the show. xD __________________ hai, hai. Onii-chan has his work cut out for him.

2011-05-08, 08:34	Link #653
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	well they can't cut Jeanne on the show but they can at least butchered her ;_; it's all up to the staff. And I really hate the idea of a rushed one. Please be contented on vol 3 ending. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2011-05-08, 09:19	Link #655
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Just want to ask: when is the first ever mention of the term Hihiirokane and/or the cross of Riko's mother? __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-05-08, 02:12	Link #643
Icy.Tear 二人は独自の世界を展開 Join Date: Apr 2011	...Koko was how Cao Cao is pronounced in Wei? I don't believe that. Well, whatever. I guess that means we're keeping her name as Koko. But, are we going to mention the ancestor Cao Cao as Koko in relevant cases, (E.G. when the furigana says Koko) and add a translator's note? In Cantonese, it's pronounced something like "Cou Cou"...Well, I guess there's a 'h' before the 'o's on both ends. So, "Chou Chou" In Mandarin, it's still pronounced Cao Cao, the same as the Japanese romanization in pronunciation. And Sherlock could probably speak Chinese.

2011-05-08, 05:59	Link #645
Icy.Tear 二人は独自の世界を展開 Join Date: Apr 2011	Yeah, I know. I don't see the people from the Cao Wei province calling Cao Cao Koko though. Just...doesn't click. If Aria can speak 17 languages and she's 16 years old, then "The Man Beyond Space and Time" might just speak a few more ^^

2011-05-08, 08:16	Link #649
Icy.Tear 二人は独自の世界を展開 Join Date: Apr 2011	Oh my fucking god. Kniiiiightttttmaaaareeeeee

2011-05-08, 08:26	Link #651
Icy.Tear 二人は独自の世界を展開 Join Date: Apr 2011	Suddenly, our entire F/SN conversation seems to be so relevant.

2011-05-08, 09:21	Link #656
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	riko's cross was first mention when Riko ask for help to retrieve it from Vlad in vol 3. Irokane was mentioned from Holmes research about Hidan in vol 5. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2011-05-08, 09:26	Link #658
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Well, crap. So it means that Riko's hair ability will not be explained until Volume 3? __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-05-08, 09:33	Link #660
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	The anime adaptation will be a weird adventure, that's for sure. o_o __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.