Code Geass R2 - Episode 24 Discussion / Poll

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by neuromancer

I don't remember Kallen being geassed S1, but she knew about geass since the begining of R2. When she asked Lelouche if her loyalty was because of geass he told her it wasn't. That's why Kallen was mistaken to listen to the other BKs and leave Lelouche's side. If she trusted him for so long, why did she turn against him just because everyone else learned his secret? She got carried away by her feelings.

he geassed her in ep3 (questioned her)

Originally Posted by neuromancer

I can agree that Lelouche wanted her to stay with the BKs for her own sake. After all, he didn't deny the accusation that he geassed her. But it still doesn't explain why she was swayed so easily when she knew the truth all along.

not for her sake in terms of safety
but in terms of not allowing her to be corrputed by taking part in his plan (hes had plenty of chances to see who she is, i think he wants he to stay that way)
shes fighting for her values against an enemy who is clearly (from what she knows) out to take over the world even against her personal feelings and desires
which is part of what he probably values about her most

[Narona]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

actually the corrent theory is that lelouch wants her to fight him
he values who she is too much to taint her with his actions

I don't believe that it's true. We will seen but for now, I still don't believe this.

I will not judge ZR and lulu's action without knowing what ZR is.

And again, lelouch saved the world (again) in this episode and No One cares,

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Narona

I don't believe that it's true. We will seen but for now, I still don't believe this.

I will not judge ZR and lulu's action without knowing what ZR is.

And again, lelouch saved the world (again) in this episode and No One cares,

Its lelouch. Saving the world is getting to be an everyday type thing for him. No one bats an eyelid anymore.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Narona

I don't believe that it's true. We will seen but for now, I still don't believe this.

I will not judge ZR and lulu's action without knowing what ZR is.

And again, lelouch saved the world (again) in this episode and No One cares,

the theory is about why he didnt try to get her to join at all
the only other realistic reason is that he is pants on head retarded
which doesnt fit with his character so far (mostly)

[Le Anh]

the theory is about why he didnt try to get her to join at all

The same reason why he didn't try to get Xing Ke (who is more valueable than Kallen in a war) to join him? Because he just didn't care about what she does? LL has never try to get someone who doesn't choose to follow him to join his force. He already had his KoZ and C.C, and Kallen decided to go against him, then so be it =/

[Liddo-kun]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

So he effortlessly trashes Li and Toudou, but when faced with someone who's in a state of blind rage and the lesser pilot, he randomly has a 60/40 chance of death and success?

25's summary makes it clear. He's going to win.

Toudou got trashed easily because his knightmare is already badly damaged.

Anyway, good episode for C.C x Lelouch fans.
They almost hugged, too bad Kallen got in the way.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Le Anh

The same reason why he didn't try to get Xing Ke (who is more valueable than Kallen in a war) to join him? Because he just didn't care about what she does? LL has never try to get someone who doesn't choose to follow him to join his force. He already had his KoZ and C.C, and Kallen decided to go against him, then so be it =/

thats stupid
why make sure the the only person on earth who could match suzaku in combat becomes his enemy rather then try get her to join him
more stupid when you remember even by his own OOBK power ranking she was his most loyal soldier (loyal to HIM rather to the plan like suzaku) and has repeatedly showed this fact
she even came out and ASKED him what he's planning rather then assume that its bad
even if you dont like kallen you have to admit that lelouchs actions are dumb as hell

[Diedrupo]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Its lelouch. Saving the world is getting to be an everyday type thing for him. No one bats an eyelid anymore.

what? since when has Lelouch cared about saving the world?

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

what? since when has Lelouch cared about saving the world?

well he saved the world in episode 21.
I guess you can possibly count episode 24.
But still he owes the world as much since epically screwed it up.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Witacume

well he saved the world in episode 21.
I guess you can possibly count episode 24.
But still he owes the world as much since epically screwed it up.

actually we still dont know what he plans to do with the damocles
he isnt planing to destroy it
he told shnizel to cancel the self destract
and before xing-ke's attack he was planning to reach it using the avalon (along with the hostages mind you)
it think lelouch really might be about taking over the world and uniting it under his rule
think about it
charles wasnt concerned with the world becouse he was about the past
shnizel was only concerncd with the present becouse he had no ambitions for the future
lelouch on the other hand is ambition presonafied
if he sets his mind that the best way to change the world for the better is to take over it then he may end up trying to do just that
and the damocles (along with the rest of his army) makes him unstoppable
the more i think about it i think its what hes after in the end
make the world a better place once its under his rule

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

actually we still dont know what he plans to do with the damocles
he isnt planing to destroy it
he told shnizel to cancel the self destract
and before xing-ke's attack he was planning to reach it using the avalon (along with the hostages mind you)
it think lelouch really might be about taking over the world and uniting it under his rule
think about it
charles wasnt concerned with the world becouse he was about the past
shnizel was only concerncd with the present becouse he had no ambitions for the future
lelouch on the other hand is ambition presonafied
if he sets his mind that the best way to change the world for the better is to take over it then he may end up trying to do just that
and the damocles (along with the rest of his army) makes him unstoppable
the more i think about it i think its what hes after in the end
make the world a better place once its under his rule

I don't understand you guys.
I really don't maybe I am not seeing what you guys are seeing.
Zero's Requiem is pretty straight forward.
I came up with the idea since they announce it.
And it seems to be the case still.
Lelouch is keeping his mask on.
He is trying to be the Villian of all Villians.
Lelouch is an Anti-hero.

If you like a longer explanation i be glad to message you with Zero's REquiem.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Witacume

I don't understand you guys.
I really don't maybe I am not seeing what you guys are seeing.
Zero's Requiem is pretty straight forward.
I came up with the idea since they announce it.
And it seems to be the case still.
Lelouch is keeping his mask on.
He is trying to be the Villian of all Villians.
Lelouch is an Anti-hero.

If you like a longer explanation i be glad to message you with Zero's REquiem.

thats what i was thinking too
i even posted a HUGE spec about why and how
but with each and every new ep i come closer and closer to the idea that maybe we are trying to see a xanatos gambit where there isnt one
he even told suzaku that first they have to take over the world when they were the only ones there
i may be wrong (i hope i am)
but i cant shake the feeling that lelouch isnt using a mask anymore
he may not be a evil
but he may be after taking over the world after all

[Narona]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Its lelouch. Saving the world is getting to be an everyday type thing for him. No one bats an eyelid anymore.

*laugh*

Yeah, same as some superhero, it's so common to save the world that the people only talk about their mistakes and bad choices. Lelouch is a superhero (or superantihero) (i'm joking, I don't know a lot of superhero's stories XD)

I don't think that he's planning to terrorize the people with damocles

[Le Anh]

thats stupid
why make sure the the only person on earth who could match suzaku in combat becomes his enemy rather then try get her to join him
more stupid when you remember even by his own OOBK power ranking she was his most loyal soldier (loyal to HIM rather to the plan like suzaku) and has repeatedly showed this fact
she even came out and ASKED him what he's planning rather then assume that its bad
even if you dont like kallen you have to admit that lelouchs actions are dumb as hell

Not really, that's his pride. She decided to not believe in him and go against him, so he let her do as she wishes. The same with other BK.
Did he try to get Kaguya - who is the chairwoman of UFN (and also top'd in loyality)- to join him? or Xingke - who although weaker than Kallen in 1v1 combat, has more intelligent than Kallen?

I'm not saying his pride is a good thing, just state my interpretion about your theory of "Lelouch values Kallen too much to taint her with his actions" based on what he did since S1 - he just doesn't care about what she does after she become his enemy. Ofc I may be wrong though =/

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Le Anh

Not really, that's his pride. She decided to not believe in him and go against him, so he let her do as she wishes. The same with other BK.
Did he try to get Kaguya - who is the chairwoman of UFN (and also top'd in loyality)- to join him? or Xingke - who although weaker than Kallen in 1v1 combat, has more intelligent than Kallen?

I'm not saying his pride is a good thing, just state my interpretion about your theory of "Lelouch values Kallen too much to taint her with his actions" based on what he did since S1 - he just doesn't care about what she does after she become his enemy. Ofc I may be wrong though =/

she was shielding him with her own body and he had to litterally break her heart and spit in her face to make her leave
he trusted her enough to intrust ChiChi in her care
and even after what he did she asked him what he's after (told the OOBK that they could shoot her if they were thinking she was geassed just so she could talk to him) rather then just assume he's up to no good
how could he possibly feel any antipathy at all about her
and his feelings about her changed much over the season (more then his relationship with anyone else from season 1)
in the end of season 1 he was threatening suzaku with a bomb that would have killed her as well
as early as ep 2 he was worried about losing her to rolo
and he risked losing his entire army just to get her back in ep 10

[Le Anh]

@bladeofdarkness: He doesn't feel any antipathy about her, but that doesn't change the fact that in 1 month she decided to stay with the traitor OoBK instead of looking for/contacting him. Someone stay at enemy side that isn't a spy, is someone who go against you.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

what? since when has Lelouch cared about saving the world?

Right after Turn 7 I would imagine when he said his struggle was about more then his sister now, thus more then his personal reasons, and then it really hits home in Turn 21 and follows through into Turn 24 where its made pretty clear. Didn't you watch the series?

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Le Anh

@bladeofdarkness: He doesn't feel any antipathy about her, but that doesn't change the fact that in 1 month she decided to stay with the traitor OoBK instead of looking for/contacting him. Someone stay at enemy side that isn't a spy, is someone who go against you.

and the fact that no one knew where they were
and that she actually asked the OOBK to shoot her if something was up just so she could talk to him
and that she came out and asked him TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE DOING
makes no sense to you

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

and the fact that no one knew where they were
and that she actually asked the OOBK to shoot her if something was up just so she could talk to him
and that she came out and asked him TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE DOING
makes no sense to you

Meh, she's about the same as Nunnally now at this point, which is kind of weird, but anyway, if he can avoid shedding her blood I would imagine that he will, but at the same time if Zero Requiem is obstructed by her then there's no helping it if that's what it takes at this point. >_>

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Meh, she's about the same as Nunnally now at this point, which is kind of weird, but anyway, if he can avoid shedding her blood I would imagine that he will, but at the same time if Zero Requiem is obstructed by her then there's no helping it if that's what it takes at this point. >_>

the question was never whether or not he'll hurt her
its why he drove her away in the first place when she would have made a priceless addition to his forces