Gurren-Lagann - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[7Th]

Pretty awesome episode... if only the new enemies weren't CG. :P

[quina]

ok watched everything; these are summary points

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watched the thing; nice episode quick summary:
- Simon the supreme commander; Rosui next in command.
- Rosui was trying to force all human to live on the surface so that they can do the count

- Rosui now has his own followers. Kino included.

- Kyon and Dayaaka is having a baby; and its number 1000000

- Yoko left for a journey

- Viral is protecting the human who want to go live underground. Rosui keeps this fact secret from Simon and force all human to live on the ground for weird reasons.

- Simon propose to Nia, she rejected it because of the way Simon word his sentence lol. She call in later to accept the proposal

- They are using new robot call Grapal instead of Gunmen. Rosui + co. took Grapal off the market now.

- Rosui believe that Simon shouldn't fight, he is the supreme commander and should sit back.

- Anti-Spiral System activate once human population over ground reach 1 million. A machine was summon to the earth and began the attack. System inside Nia also was activated.

- Darry, Gami + other new soldiers use Grapal to fight against machine which appear buy fail, they can't even damage it. Kitan + co want to go out as well, but Kino said that Gunmen would be totally useless.

- Simon came out with Gurren-Lagann against Rosui's advice and defeat the machine. The machine broke into pieces and explode over the town killing people.

- Rosui was angry about Simon fighting in the front line and the fact that he fight with unknown enemy and cause all these damage;

- Before we can see further; Nia's image was projected all over the town. Declaring the start of Anti-Spiral System.

Next episode;
- Rosui revive the spiral king to ask the secret of this world from him.

- From the preview most likely Rosui will turn against Simon. What would Simon do!?

---------------------- thought
This arc is about Rosui;
- well Rosui isn't really evil.. just that he is very dense about achieving his goal... I am having problem with him bad mouthing about others and starting his own co. though
- 1 million population on surface is pretty much the indirect results from Rosui's action....well... I know he wanna get accurate count, but is it worth forcing all those people overground agaisnt their will and make the prediction comes faster?
- Anti-Spiral system; pretty much the system which use to limit human population. It was set up on the moon... hmm spiral king's action wasn't all that impossible to understand.
- Viral is fighting to protect human and their freedom. WOOTT HERE COMES VIRAL!
- I am somehow thinking that the reason why those machine can't be damaged is because they are using Grapa instead of Gunmen :\.... I might be wrong. But Simon's GL is the only Gunmen that get to fight against that machine and defeat it.
- Next episode Gimi, Darry + co will come and capture Simon.. ofoucrse we know who order them.

[Nightengale]

Lots of Z.O.E vibes from the end... highly technological cities, enemies that look like Orbital Frames in CG, and the LEV-ish GL-type Grapals...

Very good episode. But alas, my small glimmer of hope for ViralYoko is pretty much crumbled into pieces now, since Viral's clearly a lone renegade here. Nice to see him giving nod to Enkidu-du though for lasting all the 7 years.

[musashiken]

Woot! I love NIA!! She is OMFG awesomeness!

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This is the first time I like a Female villain in an anime. Woohoo. Call me crazy, I hope she wins!....

Maybe not, I hope Simon saves her in the end. I'm still hoping for a happy end.


And WTF at the next ep preview. Rossiu kept the Helix King's body alive??? This is so cliched but a good one.

Anyway, I kept watching the scene where EVIL-NIA announces war. So f*cking awesome.

[raidou]

Looks like the new opponents also have their own set of Ganmen.
The 3 ganmens in the OP,either they are owned by the big bad guys(from their evil looking design) or Gurren power up form (all those drills)

[musashiken]

Hmm,

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After rewatching some parts. It seems like the Helix King did right by creating Ganmens. I'm sure that the enemies from the moon are not called Ganmens, since they are Anti-Spiral machines and they have no Faces. Remember that Ganmens are called Ganmens because they have Faces.

It is up to Gurren-Lagann and the original Ganmens to fight the aliens with Spiral power. Well Simon is cool, but I'm still waiting for his ultimate Gar. I just hope EVIL-Nia is still around by then.

[raidou]

Originally Posted by musashiken

Hmm,

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After rewatching some parts. It seems like the Helix King did right by creating Ganmens. I'm sure that the enemies from the moon are not called Ganmens, since they are Anti-Spiral machines and they have no Faces. Remember that Ganmens are called Ganmens because they have Faces.

It is up to Gurren-Lagann and the original Ganmens to fight the aliens with Spiral power. Well Simon is cool, but I'm still waiting for his ultimate Gar. I just hope EVIL-Nia is still around by then.

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Though the only enemy that appear in this episode seems to be mass production version, there are loads of em surrounding 3 Grapals in the OP.Their leaders might still be using Ganmens like machines or you are right and those 3 evil looking ganmens are owned by Rosui's gang.Would explain the drills design on the golden one.

[v1cious]

it's almost like it's become an entirely different show. not in a bad way or anything, but it doesn't feel the same for some reason.

[quina]

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Though the only enemy that appear in this episode seems to be mass production version, there are loads of em surrounding 3 Grapals in the OP.Their leaders might still be using Ganmens like machines or you are right and those 3 evil looking ganmens are owned by Rosui's gang.

i don't think Rosui is hiding anything like that, he just have different ways of dealing with the crisis. hmmm...
I am surprised why Gainax was to proposed 2 different side which are not hero at the same time: Rosui and Nia (Anti-Spiral system). This will be fun

Nia seems to be with the villian this arc. heroine and villain at the same time, remind me a lot of a certain heroine from Fate. The hero will turn VERY GAR if you have this formula.

For fate

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well.... common elements
- Heroine
- Turn bad against her will
- Some circuit pattern crawling along her body when transformed.
- Abadon by the parents....
well.... Shirou was awesome in that arc :\

[musashiken]

Originally Posted by quina

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i don't think Rosui is hiding anything like that, he just have different ways of dealing with the crisis. hmmm...
I am surprised why Gainax was to proposed 2 different side which are not hero at the same time: Rosui and Nia (Anti-Spiral system). This will be fun

Nia seems to be with the villian this arc. heroine and villain at the same time, remind me a lot of a certain heroine from Fate. The hero will turn VERY GAR if you have this formula.

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Well, that heroine/villain in Fate has a normal and good ending. Let's hope Gurren Lagann has the good ending.

[quina]

Originally Posted by musashiken

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Well, that heroine/villain in Fate has a normal and good ending. Let's hope Gurren Lagann has the good ending.

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Sakura's arc has 2 ending: Normal and True... there is no Good. (Different from Saber who has only True (PC) and Rin who has True and Good. Normal - Shirou never come back; True: Shirou came back they all happy

[raidou]

Originally Posted by quina

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i don't think Rosui is hiding anything like that, he just have different ways of dealing with the crisis. hmmm...
I am surprised why Gainax was to proposed 2 different side which are not hero at the same time: Rosui and Nia (Anti-Spiral system). This will be fun

Nia seems to be with the villian this arc. heroine and villain at the same time, remind me a lot of a certain heroine from Fate. The hero will turn VERY GAR if you have this formula.

For fate

Spoiler:

well.... common elements
- Heroine
- Turn bad against her will
- Some circuit pattern crawling along her body when transformed.
- Abadon by the parents....
well.... Shirou was awesome in that arc :\

Spoiler:

He could just create em later on to deal with Simon or anti spiral troops since Grapals are ineffective.Probably with Nia's dad help

I wonder whether Nia would stay and travel with the gang with occasional evil breakout >< or gone to the other side completely till close to series' end.

Btw when was the last time Gainax's action/drama show has clear/non open (happy) ending?

[quina]

Originally Posted by raidou

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Btw when was the last time Gainax's action/drama show has clear/non open (happy) ending?

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well, I think Eva has happy ending :3 lol call me weird or whatever

it's almost like it's become an entirely different show. not in a bad way or anything, but it doesn't feel the same for some reason.

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because this is the only episode so far we do not have Gurren-dan. We do not see that fire with sunglasses flag. Simon and co in this episode are no longer gurrendan.. Simon jacket has star instead of the fire now. he will change back to Fire soon. Walk the golden road!

Anyone notice that all Rosui's followers wear glasses -_-?

[musashiken]

Originally Posted by quina

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Sakura's arc has 2 ending: Normal and True... there is no Good. (Different from Saber who has only True (PC) and Rin who has True and Good. Normal - Shirou never come back; True: Shirou came back they all happy

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Err, yeah I know. I bought the game a long time ago. What I'm saying is the True end of Sakura is a happy and good one.

Originally Posted by raidou

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He could just create em later on to deal with Simon or anti spiral troops since Grapals are ineffective.Probably with Nia's dad help

I wonder whether Nia would stay and travel with the gang with occasional evil breakout >< or gone to the other side completely till close to series' end.

Btw when was the last time Gainax's action/drama show has clear/non open (happy) ending?

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I'm pretty sure Abenobashi Shoutengai was a rather clear and good ending.

Kono minikuku mo utsukushii sekai has quite a clear ending too. Not exactly very happy but happy enough.

[Nvis]

So when will Kamina come back?

[raidou]

Originally Posted by quina

Anyone notice that all Rosui's followers wear glasses -_-?

Except him probably influence of Kinon assuming she became his next in command.

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Originally Posted by Nvis

So when will Kamina come back?

No idea but hopefully he would return not exactly as the original Kamina(being clone or w/e) since it would cheapen his earlier death -.-

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well, I think Eva has happy ending :3 lol call me weird or whatever

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Series or Movie? the movie kinda screwed TV series forced happy ending

Originally Posted by musashiken

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I'm pretty sure Abenobashi Shoutengai was a rather clear and good ending.

Kono minikuku mo utsukushii sekai has quite a clear ending too. Not exactly very happy but happy enough.

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Hmm Unless i remember wrongly(watched it long ago), Abenobashi ending is kinda vague (about the altered reality or not thingy) plus it is more of comedy show.I do agree though on Kono Minikuku ending being happy (bitter sweet) although it left a lot of thing unexplained

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by quina

Anyone notice that all Rosui's followers wear glasses -_-?

Well, Kinon is in his faction...It's a strange feeling really, like the 3 sisters are all split up in their own ways... Ironic how Kinon's name is a direct opposite of what Rossiu's pursuing at this moment, far from optimism.

I sincerely hope that OP Kamina with the shining tattoo on his back isn't what it looks like it may be.

[U<3Anime]

ughhhh still waiting for the episode to dl..... so slow

"No idea but hopefully he would return not exactly as the original Kamina(being clone or w/e) since it would cheapen his earlier death -.-"

A Simon vs Kamina battle would be pretty cool. I want to see Kamina one more time and have him say "Simon you have truly become a man!"

[Malintex_Terek]

Gave the episode a "very good". The CGI enemies don't bother me since they're good-looking so long as they don't try to emulate something smooth (like the Dragon in FSN) - but only Darry + Gimmy had a voice change? No, that's pretty sad. I wasn't exactly expecting Garlock to be everywhere in this episode, but his mean voice should have been a TAD deeper. Same goes for Nia, I've gotten used to Rossiu but I really wanted to hear an overlord-type voice from him.

Aside from that...I don't like Kiyoh's house. Terek hates American suburbia - why couldn't that have been a Japanese-style house?

Originally Posted by quina

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Worst character in the TYPE-MOON universe ever. Retroactively deserved everything that happened to her.

[Ottocycle]

Awesome ep.

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The OP alone left me in a muddy puddle of fanboyism. Looks like politicking and bureaucracy takes centrestage, before GARlock comes back and kicks them back aside where they belong, at least. A few thoughts:

- The jokes were few, but bloody darned good. 'Iyada!' was gold.

- Great job on making the Supreme Council look decadent. But what's with Dayakka?! He's probably the next in line after Rossiu in level of prudence, and he didn't say anything?

- As someone(aohige?Nighty?) has enlightened us before, the current decade of mecha-anime-homaging has now shifted to the 80s. and its a great breath of fresh air, despite the heavy mood. Absolutely loved the little UC Gundam similarities.

- Yay Viral! IMO he'll probably hold the key to completing the rock-paper-scissors cycle between Ganmen, the Grapals and the new faceless Antispiral mecha I'm foreseeing. And he is WIN for defending humans.

- Nice irony for Simon and Rossiu regarding each other as...any word for heiwa boke? Letting peaceful times get to the head?

- Does anyone else think the recap ep last week made the timeskip a little more digestible?