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Anh_Minh · 2018-04-15, 16:27

No, I mean, baseball or soccer, I could get, sort of. They're popular sports over there, especially baseball with that Koshien thing. But volley?

Twi · 2018-04-15, 16:35

The school doesn't have other sports teams (aside from Track as far as I can tell) and Kamoshida is a former olympic medalist so they're riding off that.

bakato · 2018-04-15, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Something I don't get: why do they care so much about volley ball?

A champion sports team brings a lot of prestige to a school. Colleges prioritize accomplished players for scholarships and seats. The game had a background conversation where a student got passed over for a seat in favor of a player on the team.

MeoTwister5 · 2018-04-16, 02:37

You know at this they'll probably be done with this castle by episode 4. The lack of quality with those fights aside, it's understandable just how much stuff they cut out of this start of the story, but considering how much of the great characterization comes from those moments between major plot points I hope they trim the absolute minimum.

They actually used Last Surprise in this episode. I... didn't see that coming.

The two biggest problems with this episode is that best girl wasn't in the ED, and that precious cinnamon roll's hair wasn't floofy enough as well.

KPSJ · 2018-04-16, 12:48

And looks like they are throwing in social links events looks like this will be rushed.... I doubt they are even called social links in the anime

blakstealth · 2018-04-16, 13:47

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Originally Posted by KPSJ

And looks like they are throwing in social links events looks like this will be rushed.... I doubt they are even called social links in the anime

They're not even called social links in the game. :P

Twi · 2018-04-16, 15:49

Social links are for friends and when you're on the right side of the law. Phantom Thieves don't have friends. They have conspirators.

sayde · 2018-04-16, 18:28

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This is just not going to be very good. There is a lot to cover, but the decision to cram this story into too few episodes is the core of the problem. Try to cover the entire LOTR trilogy of books in a 90 minute movie. It's going to be a mess. Adaptations need to consider what is feasible. This is going to be 2 cours that feel rushed the entire time.

Not really disagreeing with you, but at the expense of playing devil's advocate, what if that's not really an option? In other words, what if the budget needed to produce a 3-cour or full year production was simply just not possible (for whatever the reasons may be)? Would we rather them do the best they can with the limited run it's given, or would we rather not have a Persona 5 anime at all?

Personally, I'm grateful for what we're given. But I could see plenty of people being perfectly fine with the latter option if they can't do it "right" (so to speak).

Twi · 2018-04-17, 07:09

I finally got around to doing my recap and review, but I'll post the bulk of the review here since some may have sensitive eyes.

Spoiler for Review:

This episode is another one that had some fat trimmed, but also rearranged. Rather than introduce Morgana right off the bat during the first castle escape, they do so later on. And rather than having Mishima being victimized by Kamoshida upfront, they decide to have Ren being the one Kamoshida harasses during the volleyball period. And they give the reason for Ryuji’s hatred towards Kamoshida by showing his Confidant Event early.

I’ve been hearing that people state the episode feels rushed, but considering the source material is 100+ hours and they only have 24 episodes, I’m fine with the pace.

What I’m not fine with is the fact that the battle sucked. You had a three-on-three match and gave them some cheap effects like an 80s cartoon. And then they butchered the All-Out Attack. This offends me because, I’ve seen the Daybreakers OVA and know they can do better with the battles.

The episode also introduces a bunch of other future Phantom Thieves (not a spoiler, they’re in the opening), which is a benefit of being an anime adaptation that I’ll graciously receive. They also cameo a character from Persona 4: Dancing All Night, because that game hasn’t been milked to oblivion just yet. We know P3 and P5 are getting one soon enough.

Now, Kamoshida’s dickery getting a pass is because, as they’ve mentioned, he was a former Nationalist in the Olympics and that school has a prominent Volleyball team. It’s clearly gone to his head if he thinks he can abuse a student and get away with it, so you’re immediately ready to go out for blood with him. But, in real life, things like that happen and the fact that they do is one of the themes in Persona 5. To that end, I hope they don’t try to downplay what comes next.

To sum it up, the episode’s pacing was fine for me. They skipped out on the tutorial of traversing the Palace to get to Ryuji’s awakening and Morgana, which is understandable. The fight was a different story, it was a mess, and considering this is the first team battle in the series that’s a screw up you can’t overlook. Even the original Persona 4 anime and Persona 3 movie did better, and I’ve seen Daybreakers so I have seen it done better for this franchise.

MeoTwister5 · 2018-04-21, 07:30

So I rewatched the episode and noticed something: Ann outright leaves Shiho with Kamoshida.

Game players would know why this is a mistake in the adaptation.

Twi · 2018-04-21, 08:38

NNNnnnnoo... Ann can pick up a clue as to why she should get going, which is why she did, but she has no reason to think he'd hit Shiho, who mentioned being part of the volleyball team with him.

MeoTwister5 · 2018-04-21, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Twi

NNNnnnnoo... Ann can pick up a clue as to why she should get going, which is why she did, but she has no reason to think he'd hit Shiho, who mentioned being part of the volleyball team with him.

I'll send you a pm on my reply to this as it's a big spoiler.

Dengar · 2018-04-21, 09:54

Due to the show mixing up the order of events you may be confused about some events which actually are supposed to happen later.

Tormenk · 2018-04-22, 01:12

Ann is featured as the lead for the AoA this time, and it still looks out of place. That said, episode 3 does perform better on pacing and animation. Hopefully they can continue this for next episode.

Dengar · 2018-04-22, 03:31

I don't think the animation actually got better. They just took a little more care to not use too many moving parts.

Anyway, I'm fairly sure this episode should fix all the "Oh shit the anime got X wrong" or "Oh shit they retconned Y" things that people said after last episodes. Since this episode did all the things people were expecting to happen last episode.

Random14 · 2018-04-22, 06:53

And now they've got a full team. Things are still going fast (wish there had been a bit more time for Morgana's introduction), but ouch, talk about dark. Though Ryuji's plan wasn't exactly great, but then they don't have many options either (since quite a few people are aware of at least some of the gym teacher's crimes, but keep quiet for the team). Its not like P3 and P4 lacked violence, but talk about a horrible school. Maybe its a good thing Ren didn't even have a chance to try to fit in.

Even if it was only for a moment, nice to see the various rooms from the castle. Too bad the battle animation was still so-so, but all these clashes with Kamoshida's shadow is getting a bit repetitive, but it gave most of the team a cool Persona intro. Now for the actual theft.

Next episode should have the opening? At least I hope so, we're already at three and a lot of it just still feels rushed. At least that's most of the basic stuff out of the way.

Dextro · 2018-04-22, 07:48

Honestly I don't see why you guys feel this is rushed. I was actually expecting them to rush through the first Palace in this episode but maybe that's just because I feel like the first 2 castles are the weakest parts of the game and want to get over them to get to the real good stuff afterwards (namely Makoto and Futaba obviously

)

Anh_Minh · 2018-04-22, 08:00

"Worst case scenario, he could die." <- not seeing a real downside there...

Who was the guy who told Ann to go home? What was she doing?

LightningZERO · 2018-04-22, 08:35

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

"Worst case scenario, he could die." <- not seeing a real downside there...

Who was the guy who told Ann to go home? What was she doing?

Not really a spoiler, but just in case

Spoiler:

Overall, a decent episode (ignoring the animation). I feel that they are doing a good job to cram the important bits of the 1st castle into 3 episodes so far. I think the only thing that bothers me is how fast some of the conversations were. Especially Igor in the beginning of episode 3, he's like in a rush to go somewhere

MeoTwister5 · 2018-04-22, 08:55

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Originally Posted by Dextro

Honestly I don't see why you guys feel this is rushed. I was actually expecting them to rush through the first Palace in this episode but maybe that's just because I feel like the first 2 castles are the weakest parts of the game and want to get over them to get to the real good stuff afterwards (namely Makoto and Futaba obviously

)

I think you mean Futaba and Makoto.

2018-04-15, 16:35	Link #82
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	The school doesn't have other sports teams (aside from Track as far as I can tell) and Kamoshida is a former olympic medalist so they're riding off that. __________________

2018-04-16, 02:37	Link #84
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	You know at this they'll probably be done with this castle by episode 4. The lack of quality with those fights aside, it's understandable just how much stuff they cut out of this start of the story, but considering how much of the great characterization comes from those moments between major plot points I hope they trim the absolute minimum. They actually used Last Surprise in this episode. I... didn't see that coming. The two biggest problems with this episode is that best girl wasn't in the ED, and that precious cinnamon roll's hair wasn't floofy enough as well. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2018-04-16, 15:49	Link #87
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Social links are for friends and when you're on the right side of the law. Phantom Thieves don't have friends. They have conspirators. __________________

2018-04-17, 07:09	Link #89
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I finally got around to doing my recap and review, but I'll post the bulk of the review here since some may have sensitive eyes. Spoiler for Review: This episode is another one that had some fat trimmed, but also rearranged. Rather than introduce Morgana right off the bat during the first castle escape, they do so later on. And rather than having Mishima being victimized by Kamoshida upfront, they decide to have Ren being the one Kamoshida harasses during the volleyball period. And they give the reason for Ryuji’s hatred towards Kamoshida by showing his Confidant Event early. I’ve been hearing that people state the episode feels rushed, but considering the source material is 100+ hours and they only have 24 episodes, I’m fine with the pace. What I’m not fine with is the fact that the battle sucked. You had a three-on-three match and gave them some cheap effects like an 80s cartoon. And then they butchered the All-Out Attack. This offends me because, I’ve seen the Daybreakers OVA and know they can do better with the battles. The episode also introduces a bunch of other future Phantom Thieves (not a spoiler, they’re in the opening), which is a benefit of being an anime adaptation that I’ll graciously receive. They also cameo a character from Persona 4: Dancing All Night, because that game hasn’t been milked to oblivion just yet. We know P3 and P5 are getting one soon enough. Now, Kamoshida’s dickery getting a pass is because, as they’ve mentioned, he was a former Nationalist in the Olympics and that school has a prominent Volleyball team. It’s clearly gone to his head if he thinks he can abuse a student and get away with it, so you’re immediately ready to go out for blood with him. But, in real life, things like that happen and the fact that they do is one of the themes in Persona 5. To that end, I hope they don’t try to downplay what comes next. To sum it up, the episode’s pacing was fine for me. They skipped out on the tutorial of traversing the Palace to get to Ryuji’s awakening and Morgana, which is understandable. The fight was a different story, it was a mess, and considering this is the first team battle in the series that’s a screw up you can’t overlook. Even the original Persona 4 anime and Persona 3 movie did better, and I’ve seen Daybreakers so I have seen it done better for this franchise. __________________

2018-04-21, 07:30	Link #90
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	So I rewatched the episode and noticed something: Ann outright leaves Shiho with Kamoshida. Game players would know why this is a mistake in the adaptation. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2018-04-15, 16:27	Link #81
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	No, I mean, baseball or soccer, I could get, sort of. They're popular sports over there, especially baseball with that Koshien thing. But volley?

2018-04-16, 12:48	Link #85
KPSJ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017	And looks like they are throwing in social links events looks like this will be rushed.... I doubt they are even called social links in the anime

2018-04-21, 08:38	Link #91
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	NNNnnnnoo... Ann can pick up a clue as to why she should get going, which is why she did, but she has no reason to think he'd hit Shiho, who mentioned being part of the volleyball team with him. __________________

2018-04-21, 09:54	Link #93
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Due to the show mixing up the order of events you may be confused about some events which actually are supposed to happen later.

2018-04-22, 01:12	Link #94
Tormenk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gaf's Room	Ann is featured as the lead for the AoA this time, and it still looks out of place. That said, episode 3 does perform better on pacing and animation. Hopefully they can continue this for next episode. __________________ "Are you afraid of change? Or are you afraid to change?" "Wheel turns, river flows and life goes on." "Best way to kill a man, is to leave him alone." "Until you come, until we close our eyes."

2018-04-22, 03:31	Link #95
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	I don't think the animation actually got better. They just took a little more care to not use too many moving parts. Anyway, I'm fairly sure this episode should fix all the "Oh shit the anime got X wrong" or "Oh shit they retconned Y" things that people said after last episodes. Since this episode did all the things people were expecting to happen last episode.

2018-04-22, 06:53	Link #96
Random14 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	And now they've got a full team. Things are still going fast (wish there had been a bit more time for Morgana's introduction), but ouch, talk about dark. Though Ryuji's plan wasn't exactly great, but then they don't have many options either (since quite a few people are aware of at least some of the gym teacher's crimes, but keep quiet for the team). Its not like P3 and P4 lacked violence, but talk about a horrible school. Maybe its a good thing Ren didn't even have a chance to try to fit in. Even if it was only for a moment, nice to see the various rooms from the castle. Too bad the battle animation was still so-so, but all these clashes with Kamoshida's shadow is getting a bit repetitive, but it gave most of the team a cool Persona intro. Now for the actual theft. Next episode should have the opening? At least I hope so, we're already at three and a lot of it just still feels rushed. At least that's most of the basic stuff out of the way.

2018-04-22, 07:48	Link #97
Dextro He Without a Title Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The land of tempura	Honestly I don't see why you guys feel this is rushed. I was actually expecting them to rush through the first Palace in this episode but maybe that's just because I feel like the first 2 castles are the weakest parts of the game and want to get over them to get to the real good stuff afterwards (namely Makoto and Futaba obviously ) __________________

2018-04-22, 08:00	Link #98
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	"Worst case scenario, he could die." <- not seeing a real downside there... Who was the guy who told Ann to go home? What was she doing?