(L+CR) Samurai Flamenco

[Goty]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

I don't know why a Masayoshi -> Gotou turn (or even a full Gotou x Masayoshi turn) would be any more of a sensationalist gimmick than Moe and Mari... What with how Masayoshi has been behaving with Gotou throughout the series, it wouldn't be surprising at all.

I disagree. There was nothing pointing towards Masayoshi being gay or having those kinds of feelings for Goto.
The way you say "the way he's been behaving with Goto through the series" seems to suggest guys can't be friends with another guys, which is a typical fangirlish delusion. There was nothing more than friendship and male bonding between them, so at this point doing this would be a terrible asspull, as Triple R put.

And Moe has been in love with Mari from day one, it's the basis of her character. There's just no way to compare.
You even say Goto turning gay for Masayoshi wouldn't be sensationalist. Jesus! Really? That would be bad on many levels.

[MK-95-]

Leave for two days, returns & sees that the conversation turned into a sexuality debate. Guys, its the FINALE this week, there will be no homo confessions this late in the game. There was no buildup for it & no foreshadowing.

As crazy (Actually, he's using his denial to stay sane, but still, that's crazy in the first place) as Goto is, he's clearly still heterosexual.

If there is a confession of any sort, it'd be strictly platonic. Masa's a strange one, but he doesn't have or is implied to have that kind of interest. the only thing he has that we know of is a superhero *cough* fetish *cough* fixation...lol

[jeroz]

I am feeling confident that Goto will see Masayoshi fully naked once again though

[SeijiSensei]

Somewhat apropos of this discussion, I was looking at merchandise for Samurai Flamenco. In the dakimakara department, we have only this entry with Masa and Goto:

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The MMM girls can adorn your wall, but not apparently share your bed. That place is reserved for the guys.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

*returns from work* Okay, what do we have here....

Originally Posted by Triple_R

So you were serious in your suggestion there? I thought you and kuromitsu were being tongue in cheek about it.

I was half joking. Do we really have to be either absolutely serious or absolutely joking all the time? Can’t we have a nice middle-ground? That's where my idea is. Meaning, I’m not that serious about it, but also think it’s plausible and interesting.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

You honestly think that pulling a character revelation of this level in the very last episode would be anything other than extremely cheap and tacky?

It is cheap and tacky. But in this series, i don’t think it would be out of place. YMMV

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Sexual orientation shouldn't be treated like some sort of sensationalist gimmick to be made a key element of a major character only in the very last episode. At least not without serious foreshadowing.

Mind you that my “gay idea” isn’t really how I want the story to be, but rather an idea born out of naughty thinking with some factors that I think can support it (no matter how little). Like I said before, I would rather see Masa being a straight guy till the end and end up with Sumi :P.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I mean, if Mari and Moe officially came out as lesbians and decided to have a serious relationship together, that would be fine. You could look back over the full anime and clearly see the possibility of things going this way. But there would be nothing like this with Hazama. And certainly nothing like this with Goto, who after all has spent a lot of time being fixated on a long-dead/missing girlfriend.

In case of Hazama, I more or less agree with what Kuromitsu said: “What with how Masayoshi has been behaving with Gotou throughout the series, it wouldn't be surprising...” (I removed the "at all" part from Kuro's line coz I think it will still a little bit surprising). Plus, the plot point they throw at us about Masa doesn't really understand love certainly helps. That’s pretty much my answer to you. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

As for Goto: who said I expect Goto to turn gay? My idea is “What if Masa realizes that he’s gay for Goto?” and that’s it. Nowhere in my post I mentioned Goto need or have to return Masa’s feeling or turn gay.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

So it's not any supposed lack of guts that will cause the writers to almost certainly not do this. I think it's because they value good story-telling too much to do something like this.

Mind you that "guts" is not only what people need to do certain good things, but also what people need to do certain bad things. With that, saying "they lack the guts to make Masa a gay in the end" is still a valid opinion (not that I like Masa to be a gay, but if they do it, I’ll applaud the anime team for their “bravery” LOL)

All in all, let's just chill out, mate. Your reply sounds a little angry at me and you seem to be offended by my half-joking .

[Dop]

Foreshadowing: Can't remember what episode, and possibly even before it all went strange, but Mari called it when she said to Goto "You're in love with Samuenco!"

Usually once a month I have friends round for an anime night. We drink beer, I give them cake i made earlier in the day, we watch anime. I once showed the first episode. At the point when Masayoshi asks Goto back to his place, one of my friends said "oh, smooth!" So even with one episode she'd seen the interest here.

Certainly, at this point I'd not be entirely surprised if Goto was using his dead girlfriend as a beard all along.

Really, that would be fine.

[Goty]

Originally Posted by Dop

So even with one episode she'd seen the interest here.

That's the problem, you bring up a female friend.

As i said, shipping guys who are just friends, even when there's absolutely nothing there, is a typical fujoshi reaction. It kind of annoys me because, as a guy, i know how strong male friendship and bonding can be. Those girls apparently don't get that, or don't want to.

Not to mention, your friend maybe didn't realize that Goto is a freaking cop, he spent the whole series helping people in need. There was no "interest" whatsoever (that would make him a terrible cop, actually).

[Cloudedmind]

And yet plenty of straight guys have no problem shipping a guy and a girl when all they are friends. How many people wanted Sumi and Masayoshi to get together when before two episodes ago all Sumi had shown was concern for Masayoshi's well being. If a woman shows concern or closeness for/with a man clearly she must have the hots for him, and they can totally make a couple. If a man does the samething with another man, it's all no homo dude, no homo. Talk about your double standards.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

And yet plenty of straight guys have no problem shipping a guy and a girl when all they are friends. How many people wanted Sumi and Masayoshi to get together when before two episodes ago all Sumi had shown was concern for Masayoshi's well being.

Well, like you said, "before two episodes" ago. I wouldn't want a Sumi/Hazama relationship to arise just about out of nowhere, in the very last episode, either. Thankfully, this latest arc (especially the latest episode) has had some developments that would make such a relationship ending not a pure plot twist.

[Cloudedmind]

Personally, I don't want Masayoshi to end up with anyone. As he himself pointed out, Sumi acts very much like an older sister, and the relationship with Gotou is nice as it is. If something does happen either way so be it, but as it was mentioned earlier I'd much rather Masayoshi realize he loves everyone, the end, roll credits.

[MeisterBabylon]

I prefer the platonic ending. Any romance is too damn obvious ATM.

[jeroz]

Sawada x Masayoshi it is then

[padasama]

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[Frontier]

Nice cards .

I especially like the Samurai Flamenco, Goto, Sumi, MMM, and Sakura cards .

[MeisterBabylon]

Ah yes the bane of Japanese mobile phone gaming.

[MisaoFan]

Spoiler for Episode 22 (End):

When the episode started, it feels almost touching when it tells about Goto's sadness after his girlfriend disappeared. Then when Masayoshi comes to defeat Haiji, I thought he's going to dress up as Samurai Flamenco and...NOPE! The entire thing involving about Masayoshi being naked totally ruined the seriousness of the scene and I can't bring myself to tear up, instead only bringing the opposite effect. Not to mention in the end everything were fine and Masayoshi is still alive. The show was alright and though the part I really enjoyed was the long superhero arc as well its ending, the rest was down to earth and also the thing I didn't care much (not to say I dislike it or something). The one aspect that the show really excelled are the characters, they are likeable and their interactions were both meaningful and entertaining. Unlike most action shows these days, Samurai Flamenco doesn't throw plotholes in your face, instead only correcting a lot of them. The visuals are okay but the animation is the only thing in the show I find horrendous. The music was forgettable at best and I found the theme songs better that way. Overall the series was decent, it could have been done better in some departments but that's fine.

[jeroz]

Oh god I'm laughing with tears. That middle segment is just simply amazing. Now that's the awkward Masayoshi we all love.

[ginger02]

No subs yet, but I can still tell. Goto really lost it when his girlfriend went missing.

[Moeterum]

LOL!!!

It started dark and scary and then... Hazama took off his clothes and started to act like a pedophile and then declared his love for Goto-san and asked him to marry him

[Breimoon]

WOW THEY REALLY DID IT!! DIDNT THINK THEY REALLY WOULD DO THAT!!
lol masayoshi proposing to Gotou and a kid while naked, that is really a strange twist