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Old 2018-04-20, 20:28   Link #4761
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Like I said there isn't any hard evidence because we don't get all POV, so for all we know Freya could have more than one familia member in her escorts other than Allen. Also there was never a point in the entire story where we actually get to see the insides of Syr's home, nor did the tale said anything about Syr returning to stay in the orphanage after the events in Vol 8.

Look, I'm not persisting in a pet theory, but I've been minding the whole Syr identity thing since volume 1, and I noticed that whenever we get Freya's POV, there would be no Syr's(dare you prove me wrong). That's the reason I have been looking all over the place to proof that Syr is NOT Freya. Vol 8 SEEMS to prove it, but the evidence is not as hard as you or I want it to be.

P.S: When I said different POV, I meant the two of them viewing the same events from different location at the same time. The author mindfucks with his narrative for Freya/Syr, so that whenever one of them is watching physically, you will never see the other anywhere. If Vol 8 has 'confirmed' their identities as separate, there is no meaning in using such narrative tricks again, but in Vol 11 when Bell is dueling Asterius before the entire city, virtually every named character in the book was watching, EXCEPT Syr(and the waitresses in the tavern of course, but if I were to add a narrative trick here, I won't include them either for being too obvious). It really begs the question how much the author wants us to read into this.

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That story wasn't even a 'What if', like Re;Zero has, and it wasn't a harem end in any case. since it was basically a nightmare for the guy.
Did Re: Zero had a harem end?!? Didn't know cos I just watched the anime.

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Old 2018-04-21, 13:01   Link #4762
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Did Re: Zero had a harem end?!? Didn't know cos I just watched the anime.
No, it had a side story that showed what would happened if Rem agreed to run off with Subaru. They essentially get married and have children together.
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Old 2018-04-26, 09:11   Link #4763
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the test read of Oratoria 10 is out, and it stops at the same spot Ais telling Bell she will kill monsters if they made people cries when the alarms sounded.

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Old 2018-05-10, 08:00   Link #4764
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In oratoria v 10
Kinda curious as to how the loki familia views bell
Esp that anoying elf ley-something... cant remember the name...
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Old 2018-05-13, 02:02   Link #4765
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In oratoria v 10
Kinda curious as to how the loki familia views bell
Esp that anoying elf ley-something... cant remember the name...
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Old 2018-05-13, 14:08   Link #4766
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Info on Aiz's mysterious skill is out. She's basically Avenger. It makes total sense when you think about it. If Bell could get skills just from his yearning to be a hero, Aiz's hatred would be more than enough to warrant a skill.
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Old 2018-05-13, 18:36   Link #4767
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The rabbit hole keeps going deeper with the ironies .
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Old 2018-05-14, 06:26   Link #4768
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Info on Aiz's mysterious skill is out. She's basically Avenger. It makes total sense when you think about it. If Bell could get skills just from his yearning to be a hero, Aiz's hatred would be more than enough to warrant a skill.
Could you please elaborate.
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Old 2018-05-14, 06:35   Link #4769
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Old 2018-05-14, 19:40   Link #4770
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Thanks for the answer
Now that's an interesting view on their side... esp Finn..
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Old 2018-05-15, 03:48   Link #4771
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Old 2018-05-16, 03:07   Link #4772
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Erm, before we consider Ryuu joining any familia at all, isn't it necessary for the head god/dess of her own familia to dissolve her blood contract with her first? If I recall correctly, that's the actual reason Lily could not have joined Hestia Familia earlier, and the goddess of Ryuu's old Familia was exiled, not dead.

P.S: Fels was said to be changed over to Oranos Familia, but his case is rather different cos he doesn't even have flesh on his back to be updated on any more.
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Old 2018-05-16, 03:56   Link #4773
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Erm, before we consider Ryuu joining any familia at all, isn't it necessary for the head god/dess of her own familia to dissolve her blood contract with her first? If I recall correctly, that's the actual reason Lily could not have joined Hestia Familia earlier, and the goddess of Ryuu's old Familia was exiled, not dead.

P.S: Fels was said to be changed over to Oranos Familia, but his case is rather different cos he doesn't even have flesh on his back to be updated on any more.
There is a conversion clause that can be added to one's Falna, which makes it possible for them to change Familia in the absence of their deity (e.g. Phobos and Welf).

Since Astraea, a caring and benevolent goddess, exiled herself from Orario, never to return, she would have logically included said clause to Ryuu's status in order for her to eventually find happiness, not to mention that they had all the time in the world to do so.

Ryuu being unable to update her status, even if she wanted to, is leaving her vulnerable to Evilus' retribution, whose members keep getting individually stronger.

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Old 2018-05-16, 05:51   Link #4774
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Eh, that's if Astraea did include it, but i found it strange that Ryuu did not look for another familia sooner if that was the case. Her main goal had been to take revenge after all, and it won't have mattered to her which familia she joined as long as the evil guys were dead.
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Old 2018-05-16, 05:59   Link #4775
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Eh, that's if Astraea did include it, but i found it strange that Ryuu did not look for another familia sooner if that was the case. Her main goal had been to take revenge after all, and it won't have mattered to her which familia she joined as long as the evil guys were dead.
She already completed her revenge and was completely ready to accept death but Syr saved her.

Ryuu stayed at Hostess of Fertility because she owed Syr and Mia (the spinoff explains how Mia and Syr got Ryuu to owe them). However, whenever Ryuu hears evilus she just gets very angry lets just say.
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Old 2018-05-16, 06:11   Link #4776
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Ryu is blacklisted. The only familia that would usually accept her are familia that do the exact contrary as what Ryu believes in.
If you want her to join any "proper" familia, she would need first to get that blacklist revoked.
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Old 2018-05-16, 09:12   Link #4777
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That makes sense, but then that also eliminates the chance of she joining any official familia unless her blacklist is lifted. Of cos she can join in secret like Hermes underreported numbers, but I doubt she is discrete enough for that.
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Old 2018-05-16, 09:17   Link #4778
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That makes sense, but then that also eliminates the chance of she joining any official familia unless her blacklist is lifted. Of cos she can join in secret like Hermes underreported numbers, but I doubt she is discrete enough for that.
She has allies close of the guild so hope is not lost. The higher up on Ganesha familia have fought alongside her and the other from Astraea familia members to protect the innocents and order back then, and apparently still respect her, as it was proven by Ganesha familia's leader Shakti purposely letting Ryu escape less than a few months back, and even fighting alongside her on floor 18. And Ganesha familia is the guild's biggest ally. Having the "Ankus of the Elephant God", one of the most powerful and most respected adventurer as your ally -and friend- is massive for Ryu.
She helps Hestia familia and Hermes familia that are two familia that are into the biggest secrets that the guild hides from public knowledge.
Having her honour restored and the ban lifted may indeed be a matter of time and done by the end of this arc.
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Old 2018-05-16, 10:13   Link #4779
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Old 2018-05-16, 11:40   Link #4780
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She has allies close of the guild so hope is not lost. The higher up on Ganesha familia have fought alongside her and the other from Astraea familia members to protect the innocents and order back then, and apparently still respect her, as it was proven by Ganesha familia's leader Shakti purposely letting Ryu escape less than a few months back, and even fighting alongside her on floor 18. And Ganesha familia is the guild's biggest ally. Having the "Ankus of the Elephant God", one of the most powerful and most respected adventurer as your ally -and friend- is massive for Ryu.
Having Shakti and Ganesha Familia on her side didn't help her the first time around. We know that Ganesha Familia will value protecting the status quo above all. It's one thing to let Ryuu go when everyone thinks she's dead, it's another to publically go to bat for her.

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She helps Hestia familia and Hermes familia that are two familia that are into the biggest secrets that the guild hides from public knowledge.
Having her honour restored and the ban lifted may indeed be a matter of time and done by the end of this arc.
The problem is that Ryuu really did commit the crimes she accused of.

Even if leverage was brought to bear to get her off the blacklist, the Guild's position is already precarious due to the Xenos incident, and letting a known criminal go would make it worse, especially if she then goes and joins Hestia Familia, a group that was involved in said incident.

Plus, what kind of life would Ryuu be able to have in Orario even if she was cleared? People would inevitably treat her like a criminal and a murderer.

The best way is simply to let the Gale die and Ryuu Lion can join Hestia Familia, while the Guild looks the other way.
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