Mahouka - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[LKK]

I don't think Tatsuya would make a fuss over the release of the flying sequence. If anything, I got the feeling that Tatsuya was feeling rather proud of himself at that moment.

[Snuffle]

That's something I don't understand about Tatsuya, what is his objective in doing all this? Is he trying to advance magic without becoming famous? Is he trying to change the curriculum in magic schools by proving the current curriculum is flawed while staying in the shadows? Or is it something else? I just kinda wish we would get a bit more monologue from what goes on inside his head.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Snuffle

That's something I don't understand about Tatsuya, what is his objective in doing all this? Is he trying to advance magic without becoming famous? Is he trying to change the curriculum in magic schools by proving the current curriculum is flawed while staying in the shadows? Or is it something else? I just kinda wish we would get a bit more monologue from what goes on inside his head.

It's really hard to say with the information we have right now. One thing that has been stated is that Tatsuya did not choose to remain anonymous on his achievements, as shown when he gave up his claim on the magic the Magic University Library wanted and had the user use her name instead. It is the will of the Yotsuba, especially his aunt, to not be known publicly. For what reason, we really don't know yet. He is currently bound to the Yotsuba for some reason, probably related to his sister.

As for the other reason, he is bound by his military commander to hide his identity as a soldier. That is understandable, since it might cause a panic or impede his work if all students around him knew.

If anything, Tatsuya's goal is to destroy the Yotsuba family. The fact that he is more blatant in his achievements in the 9 Schools Competition will most likely bring the ire of the Yotsuba. Even the head of the 10 clans has taken notice of him. For some reason, recognition in his achievements will allow him to fight the Yotsuba. I'm sure they will not sit still after what Tatsuya has just done, and I expect to see more of them the next arc.

[bietchie11]

I find it funny considering how he already pulled "last-summer-hi-tech-CAD" stuff for Shizuku, when he pulls some Tarus Silver shit, people still ask: "why can't anime people connect him with THE GUY?"
May be you guys should ask: "Why can't anime people connect him with being a German when he pulled out some German state-of-the-art hybrid CAD?"
Bottom line:Tatsuya deploy Flying Magic is cool but still it is just one of many cool things Tatsuya did in this 9-SC. No one can think this event somewhat more special than others and make connections out of it.

BTW, some people said: it's not stealing if he made it public. Then i have to ask you this: if it is made public, why do other school technicians need to copy from his CAD instead of acquiring it themselves?
Because they can't. Be it money problem, clearance problem(It may be limited to only military, law enforcement's personnel and the FTL company's testers) and so on.
The point is: they sucks as CAD technicians and they tried to leech off Tatsuya's work.
Well, although all of that is according to Tatsuya's plan, i still feel irritated over that piracy.

IMPORTANT FACT: Before Miyuki used Flying magic, she WAS the number 1 in Mirage Bat.
She doesn't use Flying Magic because she needs to, she uses it because she loves to throughout crush her opponents' will. Like German-Brazil blowout.

[OH&S]

A bit late but, is beginning of the OP with Tatsuya and Miyuki a bit brighter than the previous episodes?

[n120cky]

There is something bothering me about flying safety mechanism, judging from contestant reaction I assume the spell sequence is trigerred automaticaly, so in theory an engineer can forced a magician too activate certain spell or forced a CAD to activate by it's own? Isn't this the same as flash cast?

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by n120cky

There is something bothering me about flying safety mechanism, judging from contestant reaction I assume the spell sequence is trigerred automaticaly, so in theory an engineer can forced a magician too activate certain spell or forced a CAD to activate by it's own? Isn't this the same as flash cast?

We've already seen that an engineer can force a magician to cast a specific spell: remember what happened to Mari. Her opponent tried to decelerate, but because of the tampering with her CAD she ended up casting an acceleration spell instead. The safety appears to be something that triggers when the user has used up most of their available psions, but before they use up so much that they can't cast the safe descent spell, and forces them to land wherever they are.

And no, it is entirely different from Flash Cast. Flash Cast, as I understood it, is using modern magic without a CAD. The CADs seem to be a computer to allow magicians to use magic in the most efficient fashion, without the long incantations and excessive psion amounts and other possible requirements that would be a part of Ancient Magic. The problem is that modern mages are then entirely dependent on the CAD to use their magic: they don't actually know how to cast their spells, they're just using a preprogrammed sequence in a computer to cast the spells for them. Tatsuya can cast modern magic without a CAD, because he actually understands the activation sequences, the fancy computer language the creates the spell effects, and can recreate them in his head. Since he doesn't have to manually input commands to his CAD, that gives him a faster cast time, when he chooses to use it.

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by n120cky

There is something bothering me about flying safety mechanism, judging from contestant reaction I assume the spell sequence is trigerred automaticaly, so in theory an engineer can forced a magician too activate certain spell or forced a CAD to activate by it's own? Isn't this the same as flash cast?

Nah, it is not flash cast because the activation sequence is stored in the CAD and not the person's brain. You saw how mikihiko defeated the cardinal with multiple different spells all at once? (The earth splitting, the grass coiling around the leg, and the thunder are all different spells) basically, i assume that people can chain cast spells in a way that each spells check if a certain condition has been achieved and then the next spell activates. I assume that something like this is put into the activation sequence that Tatsuya made only that if the user is in the air and running out of psions, the safety mechanism spell automatically activates

[n120cky]

Thanks for the explaination, I can see the CAD from different angle now.

[Magewolf]

Originally Posted by n120cky

Thanks for the explaination, I can see the CAD from different angle now.

The way I see it the CAD can not make you cast a spell but it does control what spell is cast when you pour your mana(or whatever they call it) into it. So the failsafe casts when your mana is low enough instead of the next flying spell your were going for.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Snuffle

That's something I don't understand about Tatsuya, what is his objective in doing all this? Is he trying to advance magic without becoming famous? Is he trying to change the curriculum in magic schools by proving the current curriculum is flawed while staying in the shadows? Or is it something else? I just kinda wish we would get a bit more monologue from what goes on inside his head.

To lay low, which he isn't doing so well. No. No. You see, Tatsuya WANTS to lay low, but extenuating circumstances such as either Miyuki or his sense of responsibility towards his team forces him to strut his stuff. In a monologue, he says that he wasn't supposed to reveal himself until after graduation.

Originally Posted by n120cky

There is something bothering me about flying safety mechanism, judging from contestant reaction I assume the spell sequence is trigerred automaticaly, so in theory an engineer can forced a magician too activate certain spell or forced a CAD to activate by it's own? Isn't this the same as flash cast?

The incident with Mari proves that it's possible to make a magician cast a spell without knowing what it is. A CAD alone can't do anything. Heck, anything or anyone capable of pressing buttons could make an activation sequence because that's purely a function of a CAD. That's why Tatsuya's mock Cast Jamming was such a game changer.

The safety device on the flying CAD created an activation sequence to allow the user to land safely whenever it detected low psion reserves. The user, until then, was just casting whatever spells the CAD chugged out.

[hoshino_crimsonwings]

Anyone have an idea what the BGM song was from 21:26?

[Rava]

No idea, but I wasn't expecting it to be French.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by karice67

Well...combining what some commentators said this episode --that the magic sequences for Flying magic had been made public-- with what Azusa said in episode 14 --Advanced Magic Sequences only being made public to A-ranked magicians, I'd surmise that Tatsuya/FLT had already made it available to A-ranked magicians at the very least.

Besides, it doesn't look like Tatsuya himself was concerned that they'd leaked it to the other schools...nor did it prevent Miyuki dominating the competition...

So...I really don't expect them to kick up any sort of fuss.

Originally Posted by Vocah

Why would it? It was mentioned, that Taurus Silver published this one month prior to the event.

Well said magicans didn't have it before and lets be honest - Taurus Silver gets money from the people he releases that sequence to, so theoretically they violated Tatsuyas intellectual property .
And yes the owner of a patant can also restrict its usage to certain persons.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

If anything, Tatsuya's goal is to destroy the Yotsuba family. The fact that he is more blatant in his achievements in the 9 Schools Competition will most likely bring the ire of the Yotsuba. Even the head of the 10 clans has taken notice of him. For some reason, recognition in his achievements will allow him to fight the Yotsuba. I'm sure they will not sit still after what Tatsuya has just done, and I expect to see more of them the next arc.

I don't think that's one of his actual goals,since Miyuki is a heir candidate as head,it's like destroying her world,it's more probably in the lines of destroying their leash on him.

For the Flying type magic,it was already published by TS,and Tatsuya didn't mind because it was one of his goals for such magics to be used by every magician to achieve it's full potential.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

I don't think that's one of his actual goals,since Miyuki is a heir candidate as head,it's like destroying her world,it's more probably in the lines of destroying their leash on him.

For the Flying type magic,it was already published by TS,and Tatsuya didn't mind because it was one of his goals for such magics to be used by every magician to achieve it's full potential.

It is like this:

-Errand boy: " please hand your CAD to the manager for inspection".

Tatsuya: *they will definitely copy my sequence, should i use Kudou's name to screw them up? Nah, let's out-play them. Let's use this as a public demonstration for our product to increase the sales and at the same time, prove Miyuki's absolute domination and through crush other schools' excuses for losing, trample their little pride into oblivion.*

-Tatsuya: "here the CAD, please inspect it to your heart content"

Players fall and safely land, proving Tarus Silver flying CAD's reliability. Miyuki beats people on every games they want to play: whether it is their game, her game or fair game.

-Tatsuya: "Keikaku Doori"

[karice67]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Well said magicans didn't have it before and lets be honest - Taurus Silver gets money from the people he releases that sequence to, so theoretically they violated Tatsuyas intellectual property .
And yes the owner of a patant can also restrict its usage to certain persons.

Actually, it depends on how Tatsuya published it. If it's like a patent, then yes. But if it's more like a journal article on research findings (à la the initial publication output of most research in our current world), then it'll just be under copyright and available only to select groups of people, rather than restricted to people who pay for the right to use it.

Alternatively, it might be something that can be patented, but for some reason, he might have decided not to do that.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by karice67

Actually, it depends on how Tatsuya published it. If it's like a patent, then yes. But if it's more like a journal article on research findings (à la the initial publication output of most research in our current world), then it'll just be under copyright and available only to select groups of people, rather than restricted to people who pay for the right to use it.

Alternatively, it might be something that can be patented, but for some reason, he might have decided not to do that.

I believe the staff at FLT already patented it after he gave them the activation sequence and you still need the hardware that Taurus made to properly use it as it consumes massive psions,as seen in the ep,Miyuki outlasted everyone in the finals.

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@ bietchie11

LOL that was funny

[bakato]

Didn't Azusa mention in her rant about Silver how he publishes his findings to the public?

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

I don't think that's one of his actual goals,since Miyuki is a heir candidate as head,it's like destroying her world,it's more probably in the lines of destroying their leash on him.

It's hard to determine what his true goals are. In episode 13, he admitted that he can defeat his aunt one on one. However, he stated that he could not defeat the Yotsuba clan as a whole. He was afraid that someone worse would take his aunt's place. If Miyuki truly is the heir apparent, why would he have such concerns?

Besides, they have lived as a Shiba, so in essence, they could create the Shiba clan instead of the Yotsuba clan. Miyuki does not need to be in the Yotsuba clan, and right now, I don't think she really cares. She just will be by Tatsuya's side no matter what he decides on. Yes, he wants to be free, even if it means destroying the Yotsuba.