Clannad - Episode 20 Discussion / Poll

[grey_moon]

Aiko is one of the best anime dads to date. Such a funny guy . Sunohara is rocking as always....

One thing I really like is how they can make Tomoya's character have problems and weaknesses that he is overcoming without slamming the viewer through the angst grinder.

Great epi as always

Loved Nagisa's confession

[Mez]

Originally Posted by todkapuz

Spoiler for Real thoughts, condensed, based on game experience:

Okay, again like I said above, I don't know if Ossan spills the beans in Nagisa's route like that, but I know that comes frmo the After Story... but the scene is different... and has even more meaning behind the confession to Okazaki at that time.... it feels lacking in some respects to me for that, considering we haven't made it to the play (which is still in Nagisa's route proper I do believe). That gives me worries about what is going to happen in the next 2 episodes, and throws in to doubt if we're going get a second season at least to me.

Spoiler for more of the same:

I am glad I missed a few words...

specifically the small exchange where Okazaki asks Ossan what he wanted to do, and Ossan just replied "that has nothing to do with this story" ... well so.. yes... it isn't very important ... but still...

We still are missing the reason Nagisa went outside... I mean to me that is very important.. I mean it isn't necessary, but still... it would have made it stronger.

However, on second thought.... that means we're not getting Akio's story right now.... so that actually is a good sign for the progression of a second series

Spoiler for nagisa snow:

really really annoyed me why they didnt just explain why nagisa went outside, would have taken an extra 20seconds. it felt completely random and lost all the impact it had in the game.

[KholdStare]

Originally Posted by Mez

Spoiler for nagisa snow:

really really annoyed me why they didnt just explain why nagisa went outside, would have taken an extra 20seconds. it felt completely random and lost all the impact it had in the game.

Spoiler for answer:

Um, they couldn't. Remember that Akio was narrating this story, so it's his conjecture that she went outside to wait for her parents to get home, and he did say that. We might never know why Nagisa went outside from her point of view.

[loteklol]

i cannot believe fuko did the thriller ahaha

[NibelungTaisa]

add in akiko's jam to go with sanae's rainbow bread and you'll have an out-of-this-world sandwich. fuko's scene was hilarious. i was really expecting that kyou, ryou, or tomoyo would show up instead of fuko honestly. anyone thinking about trying out that charm?

[todkapuz]

Originally Posted by KholdStare

Spoiler for answer:

Um, they couldn't. Remember that Akio was narrating this story, so it's his conjecture that she went outside to wait for her parents to get home, and he did say that. We might never know why Nagisa went outside from her point of view.

Spoiler for Guess I am missing something:

I guess I missed something between the end of Nagisa's arc and the afterstory... for Akio is the one that tells us why she was outside in the after story... all 100 lines or so... or it seemed that long .. in an almost identical story to the one presented here that shows even more strongly why it hurt them so. Of course after doing some digging it seems that this is canon to Clannad's telling in the arc, so I can't complain I guess... eventhough I dont know why it comes twice in the story, but I didnt write it altough the second time includes Akio's personal plight, which makes it even more important.

Anyhow... okay, so yeah Fuuko as a zombie is growing on me... although she still doesnt seem zombie-ish to me.. but yeah, I am so thankful for the more random non-intro nature of her apperance this time.

Youhei always has been a good guy, I think....at least looking back.. he just likes to be playful.

edit:

i cannot believe fuko did the thriller ahaha

I guess it does kinda resemble part of the zomibe dance about 40 seconds after it starts (about 8 minutes in) ... of course I'd pay big bucks to see them animate the thriller dance from about 8 minutes to 10 minutes into the original video hehe... with Fuuko and the rest of the Clannad cast.. that would crack me up!

[arkxkra]

Originally Posted by Joachim

yea it is, but hey, kanon didn't get me depressed for a day or two, while air and clannad did, the later did most of the damage though ;D

same here too, compare to Air and Kanon, clannad did the most damage to me >.<".

Spoiler for ep20 :

very good episode, quite a happy episode.

some past have been revealed, OMG, Nagisa nearly dead o.O".

The rainbow bread was really special, damn, how she do that >.<".

I like the last part, Sanae and Nagisa same answer but to diffrent person... especially when Akio ask Nagisa - "fall me again?" lol , but this part was really a very happy family.

looking forward to next episode. BTW, 2 more episode end? I heard ep23 & 24 is special?

[riddle]

Just watched this episode and this is a good episode...

Spoiler:

Even though I think this is a good episode I was bored of the slow pace of the recent episodes. Not even Fuko's appearance in this episode is good enough for me to get away of this feeling (I laughed when Yukine asked Tomoya to try out the charm after she realize Nagisa was walking toward old building).
Well this episode showed a good part of Sunohara. I guess he can do a few good things too...

Well I'm giving this episode 7-8...pick 8 due to the majority....

[Kristen]

Originally Posted by FatalMemory

In terms of drama, imo Air > Kanon > Clannad.
Strangely similar to the order in which KyoAni produced them

I agree that a dramatic event would be kind of unexpected, but.......

Spoiler for kanon:

something like an Akiko car crash doesn't seem out of the question.

And is it just me, or did the CG animation look slightly reduced in quality ?
Maybe because the other robot wasn't being animated.

Well, Clannad never really was supposed to be as dramatic as Air or Kanon. It was a lighter story. Although, I think that After Story was right up with Air and Kanon in terms of drama. Heck, even just look at the secondary themes.

Spoiler for Air/Kanon:

Air- The secondary theme was about prejudice/isolation, since Yukito, Misuzu, and Kanna were all forced to be alone.
Kanon- The secondary theme here was about death, as basically all the characters had some near death experiance.

Quite morbid when you think about it. And what is Clannad's secondary theme?

Spoiler for Clannad:

Moments of true happiness.

By the way, in terms of drama, I'm of the Kanon>Air>Clannad opinion.

[kyoulover]

Well...now i think i will try to accept the relationship between tomoya and nagisa...

aw...poor kyou and ryou...

anyway...this ep is not bad at all...

too bad kyou just only passed by in this episode -_-a

and also...at least sunohara show his cool and wise side now

[Ketro]

Yeah, there just wasnt a good variety of the characters though, you would only see them in a few scenes, then that was it.

[Leo_Otaku]

Originally Posted by KholdStare

Spoiler for answer:

Um, they couldn't. Remember that Akio was narrating this story, so it's his conjecture that she went outside to wait for her parents to get home, and he did say that. We might never know why Nagisa went outside from her point of view.

Spoiler for nagisa:

It was like something how they left her home alone alot and went out to do their jobs. They said they would come back at a certain time . Nagisa went outside to wait for them. I'm pretty sure this is what happened I recall....

[Deathscyther]

Originally Posted by Ketro

Yeah, there just wasnt a good variety of the characters though, you would only see them in a few scenes, then that was it.

Well, the story right now revolves around Tomoya and Nagisa. So don't expect to see the others that much.

[Kinny Riddle]

All I can say is: Akio, you're a great dad.

In a society like Japan where men are viewed to have a higher status, it's usually just the mother that gives up her career for the sake of her child. Here we have Akio joining his wife and give up his dream for what is really important to him.

[isteb-isteb]

Originally Posted by Valentine

Spoiler for Episode 20:

I wonder though, does Yukine count as the first girl to talk to Sunohara after the spell?

I had the exact same thought. she did give him instructions regarding the charm after he performed the prerequisites.

if that's not enough, she talked to him again after he did the five laps, saying "I'll get a cup of water for you"

so Yukine talked to Sunohara not just once, but twice.

[Kisuke06]

Akio-san FTW. The baseball scene was great. You know, Akio-san is the kind of person I want to be.

Also, poor Sunohara, he deserves his own harem.

[Kinny Riddle]

Originally Posted by isteb-isteb

I had the exact same thought. she did give him instructions regarding the charm after he performed the prerequisites.

if that's not enough, she talked to him again after he did the five laps, saying "I'll get a cup of water for you"

so Yukine talked to Sunohara not just once, but twice.

Ah, the visual novel conversation was more specific concerning that spell exactly to avoid this confusion, in that the spell only applies OUTSIDE the room in the corridor, so Yukine INSIDE the room does not count.

[isteb-isteb]

ah, so desu ne. and here i was thinking poor sunohara would finally find himself a girl. yare yare... thanks for the rescue, kinny riddle.

[Sute443]

Aw, but Sunohara and Yukine would make such a nice couple!

Fuko zombie = Best. Fuko. Moment. Ever.

[Rembr]

Sunohara stock is skyrocketing these days. I'm looking forward to his epilogue.