2009-10-12, 00:25 | Link #1161 | ||
別にいいけど
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: forever lost inside a logic error
|
Anyway it looks almost certain that Kinzo was still alive at that time, because he was last seen at the family conference of 1984. The same year the epitaph was exposed.
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
||
2009-10-12, 00:36 | Link #1163 |
別にいいけど
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: forever lost inside a logic error
|
That is supposed to be the key. The key is 6 characters. So you you can speculate that Dlanor or Ronald are the key, but you need some theory to back this.
And even then if you use Quadrillion at your starting sentence you are left with: QU___I_LI__ so at this point it would be impossible to tell who are the "two who are close" (regardless of the "L" you remove)
__________________
|
2009-10-12, 00:42 | Link #1166 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 46
|
They are (almost always) close...so much so that it is rare to find any English word that does not have a "u" after "q"....on most Alphabet charts it is listed as "Qu/qu". Your question is...are they considered to be close...or are they considered to be one letter?
The problem is still....what is a "honorable name"? Are we talking an honorable persons, family, royality....or does this fit the whole Dante things and a honorable name is a word for God? And is is a name in English, or romaji of a Japanese name?
__________________
|
2009-10-12, 01:20 | Link #1167 |
Still bad at Japanese
Join Date: Sep 2009
|
It could be a supernatural name since, knowing Kinzo, he has a pretty huge obsession for Magic, supernatural, and things of that sort. So I'd say its safe to "assume" that Kinzo would make the honorable name something from mythology or legends.
Like Qilin a Chinese chimerical creature usually associated with the appearance of a sage, and bring about serenity and prosperity, with fire over its body. In old China Zhū Quč (The Vermillion Bird) the southern symbol of fire, was used as a crest for Chinese princesses, and in association to the gold that Beatrice, Kinzo's princess of sorts, gave him. But Kinzo and Chinese mythology... not likely... o.o |
2009-10-12, 01:30 | Link #1168 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
|
I think the 5 letters turn into 6 has to do something with a の. Remember the whole deal about Golden Land, and Land of Gold? I think the の there may play a key factor.
All the same, I've got to admit I've been passing on trying to work out the epitaph, since I'm sure it relies a lot on Japanese wordplays, references, and perhaps common knowledge, which I'm not knowledgeable of. So, I don't know if that's actually a key, or just a vague interpretation of mine. Even so, I'm wondering what's the exact purpose of the epitaph. As of now, it's been solved twice. The first time, only 2 people knew about it. During the second time, everyone on the island was aware of it. However, in both situations the murders were still carried out. Sure, during the second time, the murders weren't carried as well as the first time the epitaph was solved, but the fact is they still happened. So, what's to gain from it, other than gold? Beatrice doesn't gain anything from it being solved, apparently. What's there for the people in Rokkenjima to win from it, I wonder? Lambda said it was possible to prevent the murders, but just solving the epitaph didn't do it. I wonder if there's something else to it.
__________________
|
2009-10-12, 02:14 | Link #1169 |
This is my ____ face
|
I'm mainly wondering because it seemed like Eva was told the epitaph by high school-Eva in episode 3. Based off the anime, Eva looked like she was in her 20's or 30's, which would make the epitaph around 20 years old, if not even older.
__________________
|
2009-10-12, 02:19 | Link #1170 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
|
Was it that way in the VN? I remember them showing it that way in the anime, but I cannot remember how exactly it happened in the VN. I don't remember them discussing the epitaph. All the same, my memory has never been good.
__________________
|
2009-10-12, 03:03 | Link #1171 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
Here's what I think happened and what I think will happen: Spoiler for Games theory:
-Lambdadelta and Beatrice have always been on the anti-mystery side. -Bernkastel is on the anti-fantasy side but is the worst teammate of all time. Episode 1: "I'll be your ally Battler", Episode 2: "This dude sucks"(Does nothing to help), Episode 3: "I'll take care of this shit by myself"(Brings in Ange), Episode 4: "ha, you thought I cared about anything else besides winning? Trolled.", Episode 5: "I'll make a fake trial, humiliate some innocent person, and claim victory when I've actually proven nothing". -I think Battler is anti-mystery now and will be for the rest of the way. He realizes that not everything can be explained as a mystery and doesn't deny the fantasy. I think at the end of episode 6 (if it turns out how I think it will and Battler ends up losing to Bernkastel and Erika) the mastermind behind the murders will appear as a dark silhouette in the meta world and challenge Bernkastel. Bernkastel loses in episode 7 but Lamdadelta decides to revive Beatrice to help Battler take down the mastermind for beating Bern. Battler learns who Beatrice really is and who the mastermind really is in episode 7. In the final episode with Beatrice's help Battler is able to remember his sin and confront the mastermind prior to any murder. Tragedy avoided.
__________________
|
|
2009-10-12, 03:22 | Link #1172 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
|
Quote:
I like the idea of the Mastermind having a Meta-version, though. It would explain some things... |
|
2009-10-12, 03:28 | Link #1173 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
I hope we get some insight as to what lead him to it in future episodes.
__________________
|
|
2009-10-12, 03:40 | Link #1174 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
|
Quote:
And you guys can't tell me it wouldn't be worth it just to see Battler start acting exactly like Beatrice towards her. |
|
2009-10-12, 03:42 | Link #1175 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
But we also need Beato in some form or another. She's way too popular of a character.
__________________
|
|
2009-10-12, 03:56 | Link #1176 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
Join Date: Jul 2004
Age: 39
|
2-3 layers of metaworlds? This is getting too metaphysical to find a more plausible answer to the source of the murders. Having multiple dimensional layers and layering screams too many possibilities that it's going to open an immense multitude of possibilities that it's fairly possible, should there be again more dimensional layers than what we already have, that none of all the theories ever presented could sufficiently account for the true nature of the murders again because the sheer existence of other metaworlds not yet presented introduces even more variables.
As an extension of what I replied to in the other thread, the existence of even more metaworlds can only account for the phenomena existing (in this case murders, murderers and masterminds) if you are willing to assess the variables that such worlds will bring into the game when they start to interact. This is quantum physics in a degree I can't properly comprehend. If any mastermind/s exist, such an existence must exist within either the game, Beato's metaworld, or both. He does not exist in his own, separate metaworld outside the current presented worlds. Personally, another metaworld will feel like a copout. A different, more omniscient and omnipresent metaworld gives too much power to the mastermind/pepretrator and gives too much of a convenient explanation to his abilities.
__________________
|
2009-10-12, 04:06 | Link #1177 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2009-10-12, 04:45 | Link #1178 | |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
Join Date: Jul 2004
Age: 39
|
Quote:
1. Probably possessing magical powers as well, greater than Beatrice herself and at least on par with Bern and Lambda. 2. The original creator of this metaworld. Again as I have said, I don't like the idea of a meta-mastermind. Such an entity with magical powers is far too overpowered and, again, far too convenient to exercise his will. Likewise, it defeats Battler's assertion that the murders were caused by humans. A human cause extends to a human mastermind.
__________________
|
|
2009-10-12, 04:52 | Link #1179 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Besides, what I think he means is that the Meta-mastermind, is, literally, a meta-version of the mastermind. |
|
2009-10-12, 04:52 | Link #1180 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
The mastermind probably has a human piece on the board and a meta world representation like Erika currently does. That's just my theory, I thought I'd throw it out there since I haven't seen anyone else mention the possibility.
__________________
|
|
|
|