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Jze0 · 2009-12-05, 18:38

If this announcement turns out to be anything good this could be very interesting. I wouldn't mind a whole new Code Geass story with new characters or the same, I don't care.

azul120 · 2009-12-05, 18:59

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I'm still under the impression that if he didn't pull the terrorist shtick on anybody, this wouldn't of happened.

But then where would our series be?

The circumstances he caused, later series, himself. But he did deserve a good ending, I'll give that up.

Half-true, because his nemesis was a totalitarian empire.

If it is within the same universe with the same characters, please let Ohgi be one of the casualties if he's going to continue being a melvin. Ditto Villetta.

Zetsubou Bunny · 2009-12-05, 19:18

Uh, arguing that something is non-canon within something that's canon is a bit of a logical fallacy.

Whatever is published by the legal owners is canon. Period. It may not be kosher canon, but it's canon. There may be differences in game plans between Okouchi and Sunrise, but Okouchi has given the nod to Sunrise regardless, so they have just as much right to its ownership as he does.

yvj · 2009-12-05, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

Uh, arguing that something is non-canon within something that's canon is a bit of a logical fallacy.

Whatever is published by the legal owners is canon. Period. It may not be kosher canon, but it's canon. There may be differences in game plans between Okouchi and Sunrise, but Okouchi has given the nod to Sunrise regardless, so they have just as much right to its ownership as he does.

That line of thinking would make DragonBall GT canon and not only does NO ONE want that, no one acknowledges it.

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-05, 19:31

Actually it was officially confirmed that DBGT is not canon, sadly. I actually liked it.

yvj · 2009-12-05, 19:35

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Actually it was officially confirmed that DBGT is not canon, sadly. I actually liked it.

Well it would be hard to convince people that anything that was not penned by Toriyama himself would be canon to the source material. Which I think is the case for most fictional material.

You are a stronger person than I . Vegeta's porn stache alone was enough to turn me off

Zetsubou Bunny · 2009-12-05, 19:37

I guess it's everyone's individual right not to accept something even if it is canon, but in all technicality anything that is created by the legal rights holder is officially canon.

I'm a very technical person, so I just roll with the tide. To have the kind of mindset where you just simply won't accept something if you don't like it makes the entire world of fiction arbitrary and trivial, and I don't like that. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and canon is it.

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-05, 19:38

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Originally Posted by yvj

Well it would be hard to convince people that anything that was not penned by Toriyama himself would be canon to the source material. Which I think is the case for most fictional material.

You are a stronger person than I . Vegeta's porn stache alone was enough to turn me off

Lol. Well, let's put it this way: Toriyama considers Dragon Ball Online to be the official canon continuation of Z, rather than GT.

I actually never got to see the stache. I only saw a little of GT but what I did see, I enjoyed. So... yeah.

Meatrose · 2009-12-05, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

Uh, arguing that something is non-canon within something that's canon is a bit of a logical fallacy.

Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

Whatever is published by the legal owners is canon. Period.

No, if something is canon it is produced by the original author with the intention of producing something "that actually happened". That's the definition of the word canon. Everything else is non-canon. If the person who owns the legal rights to Tolkien's Lord of the Rings wrote a sequel in which Frodo and Gandalf arrives in the Gray Havens (or whatever it was called) and had a fabulous adventure, would you consider it a part of LotR's canon? That's the exact same thing. Sunrise is just a studio, a company. It's not the author of Code Geass.

yvj · 2009-12-05, 19:42

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Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

I guess it's everyone's right not to accept something even if it is canon, but in all technicality anything that is created by the legal rights holder is officially canon.

That is not necessarily the case at all. Let's say someone in Hollywood holds the legal rights to Sherlock Holmes, because the descendants of Doyle gave them the nod. No one is going to consider the new movie or a novelization of it as Holmes canon.

stardrago · 2009-12-05, 19:50

I think that now with the green light purhaps they should some elements from Kamen Rider Blade for Lelouch but used the Minor Arcana of the Suit of Swords(spade) for him; its surprising of how the cards of the "suit of swords" match his characteristics and things he has done matches him; you can go to wikipedia and check what I mean.

SonOfHeaven · 2009-12-05, 21:18

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What I meant was; is Okouchi going to be the main writer and is he going to write it with the intention of writing "something that actually happens/happened within Code Geass' canon"? Everything else is non-canon after all.

I'm guessing Okouchi will be involved. It did kind of sound like he would at least going by one of those interviews when the series ended.

youngde · 2009-12-05, 21:46

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No, if something is canon it is produced by the original author with the intention of producing something "that actually happened". That's the definition of the word canon. Everything else is non-canon.

Strictly speaking, it's not true to say everything not written the the original author is not canon. By definition canon refers to 'in terms of a fictional universe,...a body of material that is considered to be "genuine" or "official", that can be directly referenced as, or as if it were, material produced by the original author or creator of a series. (Definition lifted from wikipedia.)

Generally, if the original author gives permission to another writer/other writers to expand the story, appoints a 'successor' of some sort, and/or sells the rights of his/her creation to another person or corporation, whatever he/she/it produces can be considered canon so long as it is interally consistant w/ previous material (and even then, previous material is sometimes reconned). Most often, such material is done under the supervision of the original author, or at least must meet his/her approval, but the actual writing is done by another. The "Expanded Star Wars" universe of novels, comics, games, etc. are all generally considered canon. Other series establish several different 'canons' (ala Gundam). Point is, just because the original author doesn't write it, doesn't mean it's not canon.

youngde, signing off.

azul120 · 2009-12-05, 22:16

Truth. I'm not sure if I have the exact story, but a friend of mine in the video game industry who currently works at Konami who worked on Contra 4 as well as its story got it approved by the producer of Contra 3, and now it's accepted as series canon. Significant, as Contra 4 was an American produced work.

(As an aside, my friend's also done localizations during his days at Atlus with the likes of Steve Blum, Yuri Lowenthal, and Spike Spencer.)

Kuroshinobu · 2009-12-05, 22:48

As much as I like NoN, I don't think it should be animated as a new major series, maybe a smaller project. There are a lot of differences when compared to LotR.

And Suzaku isn't really a dramatic Zero.

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-05, 22:55

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And Suzaku isn't really a dramatic Zero.

Not that we've been given the chance to find out.

Kuroshinobu · 2009-12-05, 23:07

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Not that we've been given the chance to find out.

True very true, but given his personality, I just get a feeling that he wouldn't be as theatrically entertaining as Lelouch was.

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-05, 23:09

Hey, you never know. Lelouch could've spent that last month between his victory and his death teaching Suzaku how to be Zero.

Squarecrow · 2009-12-05, 23:45

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Hey, you never know. Lelouch could've spent that last month between his victory and his death teaching Suzaku how to be Zero.

Teaching Suzaku to be Fabulous?

Rising Dragon · 2009-12-06, 00:16

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Teaching Suzaku to be Fabulous?

Why not? Gives him something to do.

Now we just need fanfics of it.

2009-12-05, 18:38	Link #6801
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2009-12-05, 19:18	Link #6803
Zetsubou Bunny Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Area 11 Age: 35	Uh, arguing that something is non-canon within something that's canon is a bit of a logical fallacy. Whatever is published by the legal owners is canon. Period. It may not be kosher canon, but it's canon. There may be differences in game plans between Okouchi and Sunrise, but Okouchi has given the nod to Sunrise regardless, so they have just as much right to its ownership as he does.

2009-12-05, 19:37	Link #6807
Zetsubou Bunny Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Area 11 Age: 35	I guess it's everyone's individual right not to accept something even if it is canon, but in all technicality anything that is created by the legal rights holder is officially canon. I'm a very technical person, so I just roll with the tide. To have the kind of mindset where you just simply won't accept something if you don't like it makes the entire world of fiction arbitrary and trivial, and I don't like that. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and canon is it.

2009-12-05, 19:50	Link #6811
stardrago Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	I think that now with the green light purhaps they should some elements from Kamen Rider Blade for Lelouch but used the Minor Arcana of the Suit of Swords(spade) for him; its surprising of how the cards of the "suit of swords" match his characteristics and things he has done matches him; you can go to wikipedia and check what I mean.

2009-12-05, 22:16	Link #6814
azul120 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Truth. I'm not sure if I have the exact story, but a friend of mine in the video game industry who currently works at Konami who worked on Contra 4 as well as its story got it approved by the producer of Contra 3, and now it's accepted as series canon. Significant, as Contra 4 was an American produced work. (As an aside, my friend's also done localizations during his days at Atlus with the likes of Steve Blum, Yuri Lowenthal, and Spike Spencer.)

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Kuroshinobu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vancouver BC	As much as I like NoN, I don't think it should be animated as a new major series, maybe a smaller project. There are a lot of differences when compared to LotR. And Suzaku isn't really a dramatic Zero.