Character Discussion - Lelouch

[bladeofdarkness]

why ???
the incoherence of his posts
or the fact that i was stupid enough to keep up with it for as long as i did ?

[Betteroffer]

Originally Posted by eaglei3

1) The floodlights had no effect on Lelouch as he said it was possible to geass Oghi and the others, but the knightmares would be a problem in the situation. As for the floodlights and Akatsuki, the betrayal was going to show Zero's death to the world. You have to remember that Diethard was there recording, and had a script ready to be broadcasted to make it seem that Zero had died in death and not in betrayal.

2 & 3) These occur after Schneizel has talked to the BK, as well as after Kallen is back with them after the betrayel. Between Schneizel's research and Kallen who was close to Lelouch, it is very possible the information came from them. If Villetta knew before the betrayal, she obviously didn't say anything or was wrong on what she knew.

Fair enough on the floodlights. I forgot about his comment about Ohgi and the rest. However, exactly who told the BK about the eye contact limit isn't relevant as they took precautions that show they believed whoever told them.

Originally Posted by eaglei3

I'm going to claim no on this one. Not one other person in the series other than those who had geass or a code ever mentioned once about seeing the symbol in someone's eyes. Way too much speculation on this. And the cameras in Ashford just meant that there would be no opportunity for him to get away or into a spot on the school where he wouldn't be seen interacting with someone to possibly use the geass.

Alright I'll stick to listing the example where people without a Geass responded to seeing an active Geass.

1. The soldiers Lelouch killed in Stage 1 were visibly frightened by seeing Lelouch's Geass.
2. Shirley saw it as Lelouch prepared to mindwipe her and screamed in protest.
3. Suzaku saw it in the Kamine ruins as evidenced by the camera closeup of Lelouch's eye.
4. I don't have the episode with me, so could somebody confirm if the people Lelouch Geasses in Turn 1 respond as well, because I'm fairly sure they did.

Not one of these people ever had a Geass. There is also the fact that Mao walked around before meeting Lelouch while wearing his visor. His Geass couldn't be held back by visors anyway, so why would he need to wear sunglasses at night and indoors unless he wanted to avoid drawing attention to his glowing purple eyes that could be seen by anyone?

Originally Posted by eaglei3

Once again as with Blade, nice test, still proves nothing. Tell me how Lelouch proves this test isn't a fabrication he came up with to 'restore' trust with the BK? I could tell you right now if I were a BK and saw this test, my first thoughts would be "He is possibly making this up, we have no idea if he can really turn his geass on or off, and we have no idea if he really used it again on the soldier when given the order to kill him..."

As stated above, Lelouch could prove that activating his power had a visual cue that anyone could recognize. Then he can use that to prove it has a one use limit per person by Geassing someone to do something stupid and then trying to make them kill him or something else that he clearly wouldn't want to actually happen.

Originally Posted by eaglei3

So you don't like the "official" explanation from Lelouch and substitute your own in that has no backing? The "official" statement makes sense because 1) As I said earlier, Villetta discovered Zero's identity in season 1, and knew the most out of the entire Britannia army. It makes sense for her to take this job as she still feels the need to gain honor amongst the ranks in Britannia. 2) The teaching aspect gets her closer to Lelouch to observe him. It also gives her an excuse to be able to freely travel around the campus and participate in events where Lelouch might be. 3) Villetta had an inspiration to try teaching after her encounter with Oghi in which he talks about teaching before the war... and turn 25.01 still shows her teaching at Ashford.

What I meant was that Lelouch's narration was to both explain to the audience what Viletta was doing there and tell both us and her how Lelouch was going to manipulate events for his gain. By "official" I meant the cover story, not what the writers meant. For an example, the "official" story of Erwin Rommel was that he died from a heart attack and old war wounds. The actual story of how he died (as revealled during the Nuremburg Trials) was by taking a cyanide capsule so his family would not be hurt by Hitler's men. Lelouch was basically telling Viletta "This is what everyone thinks happened right? Well, I've got juuuust enough evidence to make it look like you were helping the BK. Do as I say and my lips stay zipped."

Chalres could have put a member of the Directorate in Viletta's position with equal if not better results as a Directorate member would have even greater knowledge of Geass, as opposed to Viletta, whom people are trying to say knows next to nothing about it beyond the fact it exists. In any case, why would someone put a person in charge of surveying a target and not tell them everything they knew about the target's goals and abilities?

EDIT: Thank you, ImmortalFire.

[ImmortalFire]

Yes, in Turn 1 the guys react to him using the geass. Right before being geassed the baron says "No! It can't be!"

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

why ???
the incoherence of his posts
or the fact that i was stupid enough to keep up with it for as long as i did ?

A little of both, really.

[ncrushx]

You were the one being, undecisive with the question, nor was I the only one who lacked clarity.

Tchh, I didn't even read anyway; looks like I don't need to.

Yay, FOR BEING lazy!

[Aquaman OS]

About the whole "nobody but a select few could see the Geass thing" that was never proven and even if true in season one was mostly likely thrown out by R2.

[Betteroffer]

No, it was proven in the first episode of both seasons that a normal person can see the Geass symbol in a person's eye. The red iris rings that symbolize when someone is being affected by another's Geass were never confirmed or denied, but the eyes of someone with a Geass power do infact have the symbol on them.

[Kuroshinobu]

The geass while active is visible to normal people. As displayed in Turn 1 where the Baron shouts out "no it can't be!" just as Lelouch regains his memories and kills them off.

[Rising Dragon]

Which proves my now-ancient statements that Shirley definitely screamed no because she saw the Geass. "Geass Potential" my ass. Pah!

[Zetsubou Bunny]

I really would like to find out more about the nature of Geass. What it is. How it came to be. Hope the new manga reveals a lot about it. It should, given that it's set so far back.

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by Kuroshinobu

The geass while active is visible to normal people. As displayed in Turn 1 where the Baron shouts out "no it can't be!" just as Lelouch regains his memories and kills them off.

I always figured the 'no it can't be' was him calling himself Lelouch vi Britannia... the guy had ample time to see the geass as it formed back on Lelouch prior to him using it.


But in the end, the actual ability to see geass or not in someone's eye didn't have an impact on anything really...

Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

I really would like to find out more about the nature of Geass. What it is. How it came to be. Hope the new manga reveals a lot about it. It should, given that it's set so far back.

I'm hoping for this as well. The original story barely got through the icing of the cake as many of the posts in different topics make so many assumptions about geass since we literally know very little about its history.

[Kuroshinobu]

Originally Posted by eaglei3

I always figured the 'no it can't be' was him calling himself Lelouch vi Britannia... the guy had ample time to see the geass as it formed back on Lelouch prior to him using it.


But in the end, the actual ability to see geass or not in someone's eye didn't have an impact on anything really...

In Lelouch's case, they'd usually be dead by than anyway haha.

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by Kuroshinobu

In Lelouch's case, they'd usually be dead by than anyway haha.

Very true lol.

[Paladinoras]

Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

I really would like to find out more about the nature of Geass. What it is. How it came to be. Hope the new manga reveals a lot about it. It should, given that it's set so far back.

Not far back enough, honestly.

They said that it was gonna be set in the Edo period, and C.C has been around since the Elizabethan era, or so I gather.

It'll just be a filler, I think.

[VanityWantsYou]

... How come everywhere I go, there's always people comparing Lelouch to Light? I swear, I can't escape it. Like the topic of Nina being a table humper. It's a neverending black hole.

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by VanityWantsYou

... How come everywhere I go, there's always people comparing Lelouch to Light? I swear, I can't escape it. Like the topic of Nina being a table humper. It's a neverending black hole.

It's been like this since day one, because there are some extremely superficial similarities and people consistently fail to see past that. And by bringing that one up again you're being the same as those people No need to beat up a dead horse, really.

[Rising Dragon]

Its not even a horse at this point. Its a vat of glue.

[Akabara]

I'm curious about the origin of Geass. Hope they make SS3 or 4 to explain that matter. I still think Lelouch not dead
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[bladeofdarkness]

SS3 ?
what does that mean ?

and no

[youngde]

Originally Posted by Akabara

I still think Lelouch not dead

I've taken the liberty of quoting a very wise and ancient source in my response to this statement:

'E's passed on! [Lelouch] is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-LELOUCH!!

youngde, signing off.