[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[~Ayane~]

Originally Posted by TsundereCake

Seconded. And Rika

thirded

Spoiler for Ep6:

Does anyone know who is hanyuu's mama yet? I mean, new witch, or god or what?

[rogerpepitone]

At 24:00, only Erika, George, Jessica, Maria, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa existed outside the mansion!

So "exist" is limited to Rokkenjima, and Erika can be an ordinary person who died naturally in eps. 1-4.

[luckyssol]

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

At 24:00, only Erika, George, Jessica, Maria, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa existed outside the mansion!

So "exist" is limited to Rokkenjima, and Erika can be an ordinary person who died naturally in eps. 1-4.

Spoiler for Episode 6:

Erika exists but does she only exist as a fictional character?

Spoiler for Ryukishi's Dirty Trick?:

Shannon = Kanon?

Time to start reading episode 6...

[lucifaitre]

Hey, what's up you guys?

What if Battler is the boy that fell off the cliff 19 years ago and is the unintentional mastermind.
What if Battler found out about that accident and how the Ushiromiya covered it up, leading to his separation from the family?

What if Battler's Sin from 6 years ago was that he unintentionally corrupted one of the furniture by telling her that the Ushiromiya cared nothing about them and how they could be killed and no one would know about it?

We all know how passionate and persuasive Battler can be.

What if the woman who fell down and died was the mother of the furniture, and after the woman's death, the furniture was placed into the orphanage by the father, then was later hired by the Ushiromiya?

What if the corrupted furniture's alter ego is the Culprit and her other alter ego, which she only shows to Battler to get him to remember, is Beatrice?

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[June 1983]

Originally Posted by lucifaitre

Only Shannon knows that Natshuhi's favorite season is fall.

Actually, the red text is Natsuhi never told anyone besides Shannon that she liked Fall.

If Shannon happened to tell anyone else, then there are other people who know.

[lucifaitre]

Oh, yes, you're right. I remembered it wrong. It makes more sense that way. There was some other reason Shannon was suspicious. I'll post when I remember, but I don't mean to say that only Shannon can be the Culprit.

[fish eric]

Originally Posted by ~Ayane~

thirded

hauu fourthed

[Kirroha]

Hmm, when Erika said that she confirmed Battler's alibi by listening to his room for the entire night, that isn't really any proof, is it? Battler could've drugged their food with slow-acting poison, and quietly slit their throats later. It's not like Erika has some superhuman ability or something, just that she didn't hear the cousins screaming or struggling.

And since Erika made sure that nobody goes up to the second floor by staying in the lounge, shouldn't that make it impossible for Natsuhi to be the culprit as well?

[Kamar]

The Knox pretty much state that if Erika is looking for a clue in the right place, she'll find it, regardless of how difficult it may be. In other words since she was listening for a murder, she'd hear it no matter how quietly it was done. Actually, IIRC this exact argument was carried out in-game with the same result.

[LyricalAura]

Originally Posted by Kirroha

And since Erika made sure that nobody goes up to the second floor by staying in the lounge, shouldn't that make it impossible for Natsuhi to be the culprit as well?

She was only in the lounge starting at 1am. Before that she was in the library with Nanjo, and she verified that the cousins were alive at midnight. That's why she said the murder had to have occurred between midnight and 1am.

[Kirroha]

Hmm, when Erika said that she confirmed Battler's alibi by listening to his room for the entire night, that isn't really any proof, is it? Battler could've drugged their food with slow-acting poison, and quietly slit their throats later. It's not like Erika has some superhuman ability or something, just that she didn't hear the cousins screaming or struggling.

And since Erika made sure that nobody goes up to the second floor by staying in the lounge, shouldn't that make it impossible for Natsuhi to be the culprit as well?

Woah, I just posted this yesterday, then played a few more scenes and Battler gave the exact same theory. O_O

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

But, but, their story is already over.

Now they just seem like huge Mary Sues whenever they show up because they have absolutely no relevance to the overarching plotline.

...I'm still getting the feeling that Umineko won't end very well, given that it seems to have lost sight of its original intentions...

I'd have to agree with this. Sorry, but having new characters flood up for every single new "Episode" just doesn't cut it for me, especially when they have an extremely limited function and purpose. Why doesn't he flesh the characters he has out, instead of flooding in new ones?

My guess is that he's just not that talented a writer, and we may have set our sights too high for him in Umineko. Oh yeah, and Episode 7 will end horribly.

[MeoTwister5]

Wouldn't it be best to say such things after you at least play Ep5?

[vandakiara]

Originally Posted by Workworkwork

I'd have to agree with this. Sorry, but having new characters flood up for every single new "Episode" just doesn't cut it for me, especially when they have an extremely limited function and purpose. Why doesn't he flesh the characters he has out, instead of flooding in new ones?

My guess is that he's just not that talented a writer, and we may have set our sights too high for him in Umineko. Oh yeah, and Episode 7 will end horribly.

don't you tend to complain a bit too much about everything? is there ANYTHING at all that suits your taste?

have you played EP5 yet? I thought it was going to be terrible when I read the spoilers.... now I've actually played it with the patch and it's one of my favorite episodes.... so.. try not to judge before you play....

[June 1983]

It's funny, but the whole time I was playing EP5 Erika kept reminding me of Workworkwork and a particular anime-only individual who frequents myanimelist.

"Third-rate!!!!"

[vandakiara]

Originally Posted by June 1983

It's funny, but the whole time I was playing EP5 Erika kept reminding me of Workworkwork and a particular anime-only individual who frequents myanimelist.

"Third-rate!!!!"

.... INDEED, HOW COULD I HAVE NOT REMEMBERED THAT?

but I doubt that

Spoiler for Erika in EP6:

Workworkwork would fantasize about marrying Battler though

[AngryDango]

Has anyone read the tips about Dlanor?
It mentions a "Wizard-hunting Wright", and that he/she is supposedly stronger than Dlanor.
Van Dine was the pen name of Willard Huntington Wright. It's a very obvious tip, the names sound almost the same.
I think the Dine rules will play a role in Umineko.

http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm

[Nifty]

If they do, Ryukishi would have to butcher them pretty heavily since he's already broken like half of them.

[AngryDango]

well he butchered the Knox rules so...

[rogerpepitone]

I've noticed a few patterns about the murders in episodes 1-5:

Spoiler:

If the epitaph is solved, Maria and Rosa are killed at the next twilight. If it is not solved, Maria survives to the tenth.

If Rosa survives the first twilight, the first twilight victims form a neat pattern (in episode 2: three of Kinzo's kids and their respective spouses; in episode 3: Kinzo and all five servants). If she dies at the first twilight, the pattern is seemingly random (in episode 1: three of Kinzo's kids, the wife of one victim, and two servants; in episode 4: three of Kinzo's kids, the husband of one victim, the spouse of a nonvictim, and a servant; in episode 5: two of Kinzo's kids, three of his grandchildren, and a servant.)

Battler and Nanjo are never killed at the first twilight.