2018-11-15, 04:23 | Link #861 | ||
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As I was writing the responses, the Brexit Secretary had resigned, making this the second time this has happened to May, where the man meant to be her aid in securing a deal has walked out and now is against her lol Also, the DUP has indicated they will be voting no on this draft deal. Seems it really will take Labour to save her now. Quote:
Of course, it should also be remembered that Cameron had a huge role to play in this mess, as he decided that appealing to UKIP voters and giving Farage a platform was more important than making sure the country doesn't end up in the situation it is in. Quote:
India? Has a notorious reputation for being difficult in making deals of any kind. China? Would probably take the opportunity to get back for the Century of Humiliation, and even then what would the UK give in return? Japan? Australia? Canada? Would any of them pick the UK over the EU for a trade deal? There is the USA, but what would even happen in that case? And when consideration is given to what the USA wants the UK to do, it seems to be a net loss. I feel that if we actually did debate and ran a cost/benefit analysis in a No Deal/Hard Brexit situation for the UK, the losses would be pretty bad, and catastrophic in areas like Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. The deal that we have here isn't good for the UK, but neither is getting out of the EU completely. The only really good deal is No Brexit, but the UK government is refusing to pursue or consider that option.
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2018-11-15, 12:04 | Link #862 |
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7 people resigned, 2 of them Ministers. Gove only wants to be the 3rd Brexit Minister if the November Summit is cancelled and he can renegotiate with the EU. As if he would get a better deal in one month than two others in two years.
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2018-11-15, 18:35 | Link #863 |
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This entire show is like a ship that isn't seaworthy, destines to sink the moment it sets sail, except it is the crew who abandon ship early while the passengers are expected to go down with the ship.
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2018-11-15, 18:56 | Link #864 | |
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Either way, the drama is exquisite.
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2018-11-16, 01:11 | Link #866 | |
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As agent Kay once said in Men in Black, an individual is smart, but people are panicky and dumb. I wholeheartedly agree.
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2018-11-18, 20:37 | Link #869 |
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I would not call this a drama, but a play. They are doing the "good cop/bad cop" shtick, more precisely the "bad cop/worst cop".
1. May publishes a draft deal with the EU 2. The members of her party do a tantrum. 3. May tells the EU "you need to sweeten the deal, otherwise my colleagues are going to go medieval and ask for a no deal brexit" 4. The EU sweetens the deal. 5. Repeat again from number 2. I mean, this was exactly what the UK with the EU for decades and worked wonders, why they should do different this time around? |
2018-11-19, 00:34 | Link #872 |
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I think this one is easy.
For Brexiters it means having all the advantages of being inside the EU without any of the disadvantages; like having great sex outside of marriage without having to fork any money, raise kids or anything with the smallest scent of responsibility. For ProEU brits it means "oppsie, did I invoked article 50? I didn't mean it, that is,until I change my mind again because I can be easily swayed by the media or your average rotten politician or maybe I will have better things to do when another referendum is scheduled". |
2018-11-19, 08:15 | Link #873 | |
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What does Brexit mean?
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That said, this deal's fate does seem like it would the end point. If she doesn't manage to get the votes, it might as well be a vote on her leadership. She seems bullish on getting this through, but I don't know where she will get the votes.
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2018-11-19, 11:51 | Link #874 | |
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US fossil fuel interests like the Kochs, and other US right-wingers like the Mercers, have been supporting the Brexit forces. They hope that the UK will throw off regulations currently imposed by the EU.
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2018-11-19, 16:50 | Link #876 |
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Images I think if that guy's one of the architects of Brexit, that explains a lot: Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? |
2018-11-20, 07:26 | Link #877 | ||
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46239782 So I don't know what sort of voodoo she thinks she is going to use, but the parliamentary arithmetic is just not there. Labour would basically need to rebel against Corbyn en mass and support May in such massive numbers, they might as well form their own party. I suppose the fear of going out without a deal might compel them, but somehow I doubt that.
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2018-11-20, 11:30 | Link #878 |
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Well, I read one of the liberals said he will vote for it and maybe some of the remainers and brexit hardliners will think twice before failing the sole deal they got after two years. I think May is building on that scenario. That her putting the pistol on the parliament "this deal or death" will make people hesitate to kick UK of the cliff and that they will vote for her deal because "any deal is better than none". And plenty of Labours do think the same way.
Edit: Seems I wasn't wrong, with Ken Clarke the most Anti-Brexit Tory will vote for the deal. So May's plan is working so far.
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2018-11-25, 08:41 | Link #879 |
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The EU27 voted for the plan, now the UK parliament will get their vote for it in December. Who here thinks they will accept it in first try, accept it in 2nd try or vote it down no matter how often you put it up front and UK will leave EU with a hard Brexit?
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2018-11-25, 09:24 | Link #880 |
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The whole exercise just shows how fragmented the UK is. Not only between the home nations, but also regions, industries and wealth.
The only hope I have is that Scotland can break away from Britain. If the english think the EU is bad, then any union between nations is surely just as bad as that. Regardless if we leave the EU with this deal or no deal, it will have a ripple effect in the UK itself. Basically instead of making great britian "independent" again it will destroy the union at home. |
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