2009-01-04, 10:54 | Link #1002 |
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"I´m leaving Frontier to bring Ai-kun home... and find some really good weed, yo!".
BTW, I finally figured out what the nice picture under your nametag is all about. Good series, that Mai-Otome. Mai-Hime, too, but the second one was better.
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2009-01-04, 10:55 | Link #1003 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
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Seeing Mai going full of rage and Shizuru going apeshit are simply priceless moments. - Tak
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2009-01-04, 11:13 | Link #1004 |
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Nah, sorry. I like the setting of Mai-Otome much more ( because it has more potential of a "Nations in conflict" scenario ), the whole Otome concept is better ( letting the girls do the fighting, instead of their pets ), it has less Mikoto ( always better.... almost as annoying an character as Ranka ) and Shizuru being less psycho and more the calm lady of war. All in all, a much superior setting. As for the story, also much better than the "highschool comedy, then abrupt shift to tragedy fight anime" Mai-Hime.
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2009-01-04, 11:15 | Link #1005 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
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I shall kindly step back from the comment, and let Wolfie deal with you - Tak
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2009-01-04, 15:45 | Link #1007 |
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That doesn't really matter what matters is the fact that she still volunteered to do it, and if you volunteer to do something then it is your duty to do it. It becomes your responsibility, the same responsibility Ranka lacked. She wasn't forced into the role she could have said no.
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2009-01-04, 22:57 | Link #1008 | ||||
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It's amazing how I get people on these threads telling me not to tell someone what to say and what not to say when the same thing happens to me. Whatever it is you hate about Ranka is fine but like I've said before her role as a savior was not initially what she desired, she ended up with the role after getting Alto's consent. Now if you disagree with my statement then that's also fine, but my opinion is my opinion just like you have yours, I won't tell you otherwise. You say she ran away from her problems, I say she confronted them. Remember that before she left her intention was to have Alto come with her so she didn't necessarily run away at least in my perspective. Quote:
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Why is it that you envision Ranka as such a distasteful character? False impressions? No the things that she did weren't false impressions, she did it for others not herself so I really don't see how she gave false impressions. If she were running away, she would have never gone to the Vajra home planet, Ranka would have just gone into space and looked for another planet where she could start a new life, that's running away in my opinion. Instead she confronted the Vajra not only to bring Ai-kun back but to stop the war because she felt guilty that her singing brought the Vajra to Frontier. She knew very well because she sang and brought the Vajra to Island 3 in order to detonate that bomb. Quote:
Ok yes she did leave but not because her love went unanswered, I don't understand where you get that notion from but if she did leave for that reason, than why did she initially ask Alto to come with her? I mean if that were the reason, than she would have just gone straight to Brera right away. Honestly, if you believe that she's the worst character in the series, then so be it but I would appreciate it if some of you would stop saying that I'm denying things because I'm not, I'm expressing my opinions that are equal to yours. |
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2009-01-04, 23:19 | Link #1009 | ||
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First of all, can we stop with this all-in-bold letters way of posting? It comes across as shouting to some folks, and it's just as bad as writing smilies that can be interpreted as condescending.
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That is why after she sees him with Sheryl up on the roof, her song fails to get the right reaction from the Vajra because of the emotional despair she experiences upon seeing them together. Right then and there, she feels that her main reason for singing is all dashed into pieces on the roof. |
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It does not matter if she was being used as a tool, she volunteered, remember? If she didn't want to be used as a tool, then she should have never pursuit that dream in the first place! Hell, she became a tool all for the wrong reasons! In reality, she sang for one person. Is that so hard to articulate? She did not suddenly get a big change of actions out of the blue, her actions for leaving was directly related to seeing Alto on the roof, and later being objectified by Alto (something Alto himself admitted later). Quote:
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And if she really did care, why did she refuse to sing during the funeral? At least one person she knew died, another in emergency care, but at the end, what did she do? She refused to comfort the people when they needed her the most. Quote:
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Ranka went to the Vajra planet was an attempt to excuse herself from the meddlesome affairs on Frontier. Instead of confronting the problems of reality, dealing with the responsibilities of her role, dealing with millions of people placed under the shadows of an imminent threat (which only she could save), dealing with a relationship she longed for, dealing with her relationship with Ozma, she chose an emotionally non-responsive organism as an outlet of her problems. Instead of facing the immediate, she escaped and put it all behind her. Yes, she ran the fuck away. She wanted to run away the very moment she refused to sing for the people who died during the Vajra assault. Oh yes, she cared for them very much.... uh huh. Quote:
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She did not ask Alto to come with her. She said she really wanted Alto to come with her, just as she said that she loved him. That is not asking. Never mind the fact that she said both sentences in past tense. It was the only moment where she finally mustered enough guts to tell Alto how she felt. She thought she should let Alto know this before she took off. Then she left, precisely because she knew damn well Alto would not go with her, and as it turns out, Alto did not go with her, nor did he want to go with her. Is that so hard to understand? Once again, this decision would not have come to fruition had Alto actually not objectified her. Quote:
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2009-01-05, 06:56 | Link #1012 | |
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Before I start replying to what has been written by Tak and Dex-kun the last two pages I'll review Macross F first. Just some small preparations before I get smacked by Tak's replies
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2009-01-05, 07:01 | Link #1014 |
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Perhaps, I should have been more specific. Her personality is that of a child (and I mean a little girl in a candy shop kind of child). However that is usually excusable in a start of the series as character development takes place later on and we see a certain change in the character. Sadly, Ranka remained as she was in the start of the series...only she became a songstress. That's how I see it. Eat it or...well don't eat it.
Edit: 16 is considered being a teenager, am I right?
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2009-01-05, 07:21 | Link #1016 | |
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And I meant child in teen stage. If there has been any misunderstandings put these on my credits. And yes, Teens are spoiled, do not have any manners, are disrespectful and more worse: you really can' t control them
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2009-01-05, 07:48 | Link #1017 | |
(☞゚∀゚)☞ロンパアアアア!!
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2009-01-05, 09:53 | Link #1019 | |
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Also, I like the robes of the Otome much better than the childs of the Himes. Oh, and almost no Mikoto in Otome... a huge factor in favour of Otome.
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I am not firm with your country laws but from where I live Ranka can not taken into full responsibility as she is not recognized as fully adulted. Btw. being a teen is a time where you still enjoy youth without taking full responsibilities so you are able to grow gently. Responsibility comes from itself.
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