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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto - Episode 7 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 25 | 23.58% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 31.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 19 | 17.92% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 17 | 16.04% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 4.72% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 2.83% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.94% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.94% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.89% | |
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2010-11-15, 08:20 | Link #62 | |
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My impressions are the same as most people's, it seems: excellent first half in huge part thanks to Lady Kuroneko, shitty second half.
Hearing Hanazawa Kana and Taketatsu Aya imitate each other's characters was very fun, they both did a great job. Kirino and Kuroneko's interaction are always a delight to watch. The fact the characters they based on one another ended up suffering a horrible fate in both of their novels was just hilarious For the first time since the first episode (I think?), I started to like Kirino again. Her over-excitement while watching Meruru was adorable and oddly endearing. Unfortunately, the second half quickly reminded me why I dislike her so much. As someone said in another thread, the problem with her that she's 99.9% tsun and only 0.1% dere. That makes it very hard for me to like her. I have no idea why I should even like her in the first place: she is selfish, bratty and patronizing. Her only redeeming quality so far is being a super cute otaku - not that being an otaku is a redeeming quality - but it looks like the author expects us to relate to her only thanks to that, and it's not working for me except during some rare moments like in this episode. So all that's left is being super cute, which is not nearly enough for me. Quote:
They sure did their homework. & yes, Kuroneko is made of pure win.
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2010-11-15, 09:27 | Link #63 |
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I find it both puzzling and amusing at the same time that those people who accuse Kirino of being a boring "Mary Sue" actually hate her all the more.
Folks, that's the whole POINT behind her character. She's the classic overachiever who at the same time has serious issues with her interpersonal skills. Even the author herself said that she finds Kirino insufferable and the least likable out of all characters The way I see it, Oreimo is a character study first and foremost. And from this perspective, I consider it exceptionally good. As someone who also had a little sister 3.5 years younger than me, I can attest that several details ring oh so very true to me (while others are obviously different). If you can't enjoy this central aspect of the show, you probably won't be satisfied. But I'm perfectly okay with content and pace as-is. I'd just love to see a 2-cour version of it, to reach the latest book. A solid 8/10 from me. |
2010-11-15, 10:14 | Link #65 |
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I was very impressed with the first half of this episode. The writers for this really did their homework, as a lot of the arguments and statements made in the first half look like something that could have been taken right off an Anime Suki discussion thread.
I also like how Meruru appears to be a homage to Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, with the same theme of "friendship through superior firepower", and 'sketchy' transformation scenes (as Kyousuke noted). I agree with the consensus on the first half being very good. The second half... honestly, if you take away the blood relationship of the two main characters, the dynamic between them reminds me an awful lot of the dynamic between Haruhi and Kyon. You have the same domineering all-around impressive female treating the "average" male lead like her slave and being very attached to him. You have Kyousuke reacting to Kirino's more extreme or weird requests exactly the same way Kyon would react to those of Haruhi. Honestly, the main thing that the second half of this episode made me think of was the filming of Haruhi's movie in Haruhi 2009. Kirino's overall personality is a lot like Haruhi's, and I'm starting to see a lot of Kyon in Kyousuke. Overall, it was an entertaining episode, but this anime is becoming very hard to take seriously. I can still find great value in it as pure comedy and spoof, but Kirino's character (and her relationship with Kyousuke) is really breaking suspension of disbelief now. She's now reached a degree of multifaceted expertise and unreal time management that is comparable to Batman. 8/10 is my final rating for this.
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2010-11-15, 10:32 | Link #66 | ||
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And I agree with your post, Kirino reminds me Haruhi. But they are brother & sister
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2010-11-15, 10:58 | Link #68 | |
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Kuroneko > all. Make the show about her already. I usually loathe fanfics, but I'd so read hers. And I can sure feel her pain when arguing with anime fans like Kirino.
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2010-11-15, 11:16 | Link #69 | ||
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I mean, no one tell you to like Kirino in the first place. I actually find that Kirino in this few episodes is finally Kirino (aka tsun 9 dere 1) before [mod edit: reference to future novel content removed] And IMO, the anime already cut out some of the absurdness of Kirino's novel... Quote:
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2010-11-15, 11:19 | Link #70 | |
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You don't need a Yamato Nadeshiko to make a female character likable. But regarding a flawed character, you have to "compensate" the deal a fair bit, and so far, it is really hard to sympathize with Kirino considering her only "redeeming" traits are... her extreme tendency to react to moe. I personally don't want Kirino to suddenly act like Manami. However, it is starting to be hard to follow Kyousuke's hardship without any change, since Kirino gets everything from him as granted (the way she expects him to pay that expensive accessory out of the blue was another proof here). So many times he saved her hide, and still nothing that indicates a proper gratitude or "warming up", so it is hard not to consider Kyousuke as a masochist borderline worst than MM's Tarou, mentally speaking.
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2010-11-15, 11:31 | Link #71 |
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I operate under the assumption that there MUST be a reason why she acts the way she is. I don't find her really annoying or obnoxious per se, but I'm left to make assumptions in a relative vacuum. Having a sister of my own with a large age gap I'm used to semi-hostile treatment and relationships even if we're usually civil towards each other. As I said before, it's within context, and within context that's really the only way for me to really understand her character and her personality.
Right now all I see is that "she is who she is", but we know that no person is just as plain as what you see of them. There's always something there than simple hostility. If there's a reason they have a strained relationship, I think it's time we see it considering now she's pretty much tying up her issues with her friends and family. It's halfway through the season and assuming again this is all we get then I think we deserve to see the conflict between brother and sister. This IS the central conflict and plot of the story right?
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2010-11-15, 11:35 | Link #72 |
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I like Ore no Imouto a lot, but I feel that pacing is a problem to which there is no solution. It's hard to consolidate a 6 Volume (and on-going) light novel into a 12-episode anime without losing a lot. The first half and second half of each episode are non-linear chapters from the novels - ie. they're skipping around a ton so the flow just isn't there.
There is a ton of internal dialogue in the light novel which is critical to character growth but there is no way to convey all that in a 30 minute show. Toradora is a great anime in my opinion and one of the most faithful adaptions of the light novel, but if you read it you'll see a massive amount of important internal dialogue that you can't just dump in the middle of an anime - the format doesn't work. One can only imagine how much internal dialogue is involved in a story with this kind of subject matter. |
2010-11-15, 11:39 | Link #73 | |
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Kirino is a 14 year old teenage girl. So she acts like one. You don't have to sympathize with her. The author clearly acknowledges her flaws, so he/she's obviously not asking you to, either. It is because she is like that that the show's interesting and actually sets itself apart from typical shows of this nature in the first place. If the show was about a normal sister who gets along fine with her brother and treats him nicely there would be no plot in the first place. Honestly, it baffles me that people, especially anime fans who have probably watched countless series before, still can't realize that fictional characters aren't always designed to be likable people. And if you can't appreciate characters for being accurate depictions of real human beings, thus, as Mentar pointed out, being the object of a character study, which would be the main draw of this story, then why would you even watch this show? It was clear from the start what Kirino was like. I don't see why you've stuck with the show up to this point since clearly you're gonna be bitching about her being obnoxious every week. When it is the entire point of her character and were she any other way this show would lose its raison d'être. |
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2010-11-15, 11:45 | Link #74 | |
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The problem here is the show is actually a bit TOO fast paced. The main reason that this episode feel disjointed is precisely because the anime skipped the entire main conflict in volume 3, assuming that next episode is about making anime. (original material if true.) While I love the adaption, the one complain I do have is that this series suffers from the same stuff that plague most other Light Novel adaption and that is too few episodes for the material they try to cover and at same time they try to squeeze in some original ideas to separate themselves from the source material. But on the other hand, most anime adaption from LN has generally garnered good reviews mainly because they have tier plots and most of time captures the essence of the source material and cause viewers to want more. (ie: buy the original LN) As for Genshiken comparison, while I loved that series (both anime adaption and manga oiginal), that series doesn't really cover ACG world as deeply as Oreimo Light Novel did, especially from the dojin-creator/hard-core otaku view. Unfortunately that is also the biggest area that were cut from the adaption so far.....
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2010-11-15, 11:53 | Link #76 |
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Like some of you, I too like the first half and dislike the second half, Kirino is really getting too much for me. I mean, I know that we're supposed to be find her annoying and insufferable like the author did, but still...fact is that she's my least favorite character and it irks me that I have to see her most often, being the main character and all.
I think the reason I dislike her is, well, her obnoxious behavior just crossed the line. Even for someone with interpersonal problems, she's too hypocritical (berating his brother for looking up porn while she herself forces him to play eroge) and selfish (pretty much anything has to suit her whims) that even she must realizes that other people find that annoying. But what really annoys me is that almost no one called her out for this; sure, Kyousuke sometimes scolds her but at the end of the day, she never get comeuppance for the problems she herself cause, leaving him to suffer the consequences. Like MeoTwister said, I really need to know what causes this hostile behavior in the first place. After all, it's easier to sympathize with someone if we know what causes to become that way (for example, Ayase). For LN-readers, can you tell me through spoiler box or PM, not the content but just whether it's already being explained already there? If so, what volume and is it possible that the anime will show this? On a lighter note, I rather enjoy the Maschera ending, shame that it's too short. And the title for the next is so meta even Ayasaki Hayate says Daaamn!
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The subject was "why people don't like Kirino", not like "why the show/character is bad or so". So far, I don't think there was a claim she is a bad character, but the term was definitely "unlikable" which is an appreciation that can be made, since it is an opinion after all, not a fact. Quote:
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I don't see her turning serviable or even polite for that matter. That said, the simple fact there is no progress or evolution whatsoever is annoying, for lack of better words. It is stagnant no matter how you look at it. In fine, even the verbal abuse can remain like that, if, I insist, "if" Kirino displays a subtle change of heart. And no, I don't envision a tsundere trend. Please read again my post. Quote:
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If you can bear with her, fine by me, but there is nothing that force me to adopt the same attitude than yours. Please do not take your own take of the series as a fact, thanks.
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2010-11-15, 12:00 | Link #79 | |
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The porn on notebook was such a great event, too bad they cut that whole part out. That was the original reason used by Kirino to get Kyosuke to take her to Nastu-Comi and the event was more than Kirino discovering Kyosuke watching usual porn....
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I shouldn't have used the "Tsun" and "dere" example, what I meant is that it'd be nice if she stopped acting like a bitch all the time and showed another (kinder) side of herself (I'm sure she isn't as obnoxious as she seems). And it's not like I HATE her, as I said above, I find her entertaining when she's around the right person. What irks me the most is the way she treats Kyousuke. I suppose he's also to blame, since he's letting himself be led around by the nose by her. It's admirable to help his sister like he did, but he should keep in mind a brother isn't supposed to be a lapdog. It's also no good for her to keep relying on her brother so much. She's fourteen, not six. Quote:
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