(L) Monogatari Series Light Novel discussion

[Shadow5YA]

I thought he did grope her but just didn't "go all the way". Araragi didn't cross THE line, but he crossed plenty of others.

[karice67]

^

Spoiler for response:

no...he chickened out. He ended up massaging her shoulders.

[Wigwams]

noooooooooo. araragi... he should have gone all the way. hanekawa was prepared!!!

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Otrebla

awesome, chap 16 of kizu is online in bakatsuki.

just read it, cnat wait for the fight hahaha.

also, concerning my point about araragi being a pervert (again):

Spoiler for spoiler:

he tried to grab her boobs using a "clever" (maybe not so claver) line and in the last moment, he backed off. i see him like the main guy of transformers movie... "sit on my lap..." *sexy chick stares at him* "there are no more seatbelts"... he is that kind of man that tries to get advantage of every chance he has...but in the end, his morality makes him back off... from what i read in here, i can say that i dont like the evolution of him in the next novels

thank you for posting it shiki (assuming it was you)

Well his explanation for molesting his sisters and Mayoi is that since there is no way he'll ever have "feelings" for them that it's okay for him to feel them up.

Spoiler:

Then again it seems that Araragi is considering crossing that border with Karen.

[Shadow5YA]

I bet Nisio made Araragi chicken out on Hanekawa for consistency. While their relationship is entertaining to read about, there was still a line that Araragi did not cross with her.

[Otrebla]

Originally Posted by omimon

Well his explanation for molesting his sisters and Mayoi is that since there is no way he'll ever have "feelings" for them that it's okay for him to feel them up.

thats....ilogic.... (not you....nisio's argument is ilogic) its like saying that me (a guy) will kiss another man coz im not gay and im sure about my sexuality... in that way, i know i will never feel anything by that other man.

pd: love that smiley XD

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Otrebla

thats....ilogic.... (not you....nisio's argument is ilogic) its like saying that me (a guy) will kiss another man coz im not gay and im sure about my sexuality... in that way, i know i will never feel anything by that other man.

pd: love that smiley XD

Yup, that's exactly how his logic works.

[LotionExplosion]

Originally Posted by Otrebla

awesome, chap 16 of kizu is online in bakatsuki.

just read it, cnat wait for the fight hahaha.

also, concerning my point about araragi being a pervert (again):

Spoiler for spoiler:

he tried to grab her boobs using a "clever" (maybe not so claver) line and in the last moment, he backed off. i see him like the main guy of transformers movie... "sit on my lap..." *sexy chick stares at him* "there are no more seatbelts"... he is that kind of man that tries to get advantage of every chance he has...but in the end, his morality makes him back off... from what i read in here, i can say that i dont like the evolution of him in the next novels

thank you for posting it shiki (assuming it was you)

Can you translate that "Clever" line? I might use it

[Otrebla]

lotionExplosion said:

Can you translate that "Clever" line? I might use it


its on chap 16 of kizumono. in bakatsuki (i would say the last quarter). also, i guess that if you use it youll get instakilled hahaha...its a clever line that works in this kind of stuff.... also, i suggest you read the whole situation...

maybe those kind of lines works on japan (?) i need to go there and try hahahaha

still, if you wanna know...

its not literally that way, i just wrote down the whole situation very summarized and in a way that will sound funnier and sillier (at least for me), you should read the chap in bakatsuki.

Spoiler for it goes something like this::

i need to fight kiss shot, but her boobs are so big and nice that i know i will lose focus... so i need to lvl up my boob touching skills and...oh my, you have beautiful boobs...what a coincidence *evil grin*

pd: easier to write down your name that quote the whole thing XD

[LotionExplosion]

Originally Posted by Otrebla

lotionExplosion said:

Can you translate that "Clever" line? I might use it


its on chap 16 of kizumono. in bakatsuki (i would say the last quarter). also, i guess that if you use it youll get instakilled hahaha...its a clever line that works in this kind of stuff.... also, i suggest you read the whole situation...

maybe those kind of lines works on japan (?) i need to go there and try hahahaha

still, if you wanna know...

its not literally that way, i just wrote down the whole situation very summarized and in a way that will sound funnier and sillier (at least for me), you should read the chap in bakatsuki.

Spoiler for it goes something like this::

i need to fight kiss shot, but her boobs are so big and nice that i know i will lose focus... so i need to lvl up my boob touching skills and...oh my, you have beautiful boobs...what a coincidence *evil grin*

pd: easier to write down your name that quote the whole thing XD

Lol Clever yet nerdy. Perfect

[Suzuku]

Originally Posted by omimon

It was heavily implied that they did but we're not sure. Shinobu is indeed always in Ararargi's shadow and not only that she also has a physical link to him so if he were to have sex with any girls she'll "feel" it too. As for if the other girls know about her being in his shadow we don't know. Hanekawa might know though since Black Hanekawa knows.

When was this implied? And where do you guys get spoilers for this series from? Just surf through this thread?

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

When was this implied? And where do you guys get spoilers for this series from? Just surf through this thread?

The first time this was mentioned was in Nise 1 and we get information about this series by reading the actual novels. I'm personally reading Hana right now.

[omimon]

Alright I've finished reading Hana so here's a summary:

Spoiler:

-It the start of Kanbaru's third year as a high school student and of course that means Araragi and others have graduated
-Every once in a while she would have these dreams where her mother talks to her and starting giving weird life lessons
-It seems that ever since she was a toddler her mother never treated her like a child but an adult
-What this means is that Kanbaru was always told things that are beyond her maturity
-These life lessons are so weird that they have been stuck in her mind after all these years
-With that being said Kanbaru doesn't see her as a normal person
-It seems that her mother and father actually eloped because the Kanbaru family didn't agreed with their relationship
-On the first day of school Kanbaru wakes up with a cold sweat because she dreamt that her mother woke her up by saying something along the lines of, "Wakey wakey, my stupid daughter, today is the start of a new heartpounding school term."
-It seems that whenever she goes to sleep she would bind her devil's arm to a pillar so that she wouldn't start sleepwalking and committing crimes.
-She would also check the newspaper everyday so that she can make sure she didn't do anything
-While going to school Ougi the kouhai we were introduced to in Kabuki shows up
-HOWEVER, this time around Ougi is a boy rather than being a girl in Kabuki, I believe we have a gender-bender in our hands here
-After talking for a while Oogi tells her about the rumors of Àkuma-sama
-This Akuma-sama would solve all of your problems as long as you tell him about it
-Kanbaru fearing that she is actually Akuma-sama begins to search for him
-After Kanbaru reaches school and her new classroom (which is the same one Ararargi and others were in) we meet Higasa
-Higasa was the vice-captain during Kabaru`s second year and technically captain after she retires because of the devil
-After school Kanbaru phones Karen and asks her about any information around Akuma-sama
-Tsukihi is now the one doing all the work since Karen have gone into high school so their Fire Sister duo have broken up
-Also it seems that Araragi have gotten REALLY close to Karen ever since she became a high schooler
-Kanbaru fears that their relationship is heading towards a weird direction
-Kanbaru goes to meet Akuma-sama and the location happens to be the old cram school ruin
-She has been hiding a fact from Ararargi and others and that fact was that she actually attended this school before it went bankrupt
-She sees Akuma-sama and it turns out it was an old basketball rival of hers called, Numachi Rouka
-While Kanbura was a speedy offensive player Numachi was a slow defensive player
-When she sees her she notices that her left leg is in a cast
-She then remembers that three years ago during a match Numachi got into an accident during a match and broke her leg
-Kanbaru figures that if after all these years she still has a cast then that means the injury is forever
-Numachi tells her and what she does is collecting other people`s misfortunes
-Ever since breaking her leg she has been doing so to make herself feel better about her injury
-Kanbaru disagrees with her hobby and hits her
-In retaliation she grabs Kanbaru`s breast and squeezes hard
-After talking for a while Numachi leaves and says she`ll drop the Akuma-sama name
-The next day Kanbaru sees that her left arm have returned to normal
-After going to school she talks to Higasa about Numachi
-Kanbaru tries to find Numachi since she thinks her arm getting fixed is related to her
-Five days later she and Higasa goes to a University outside of town to see a student recruiting event
-Afterwards they both leave and Higasa goes home by herself
-As Kanbaru is going home she meets Kaiki
-Kanbaru tries to follow Araragi and Senjougahara`s advice and runs away but Kaiki was faster than her and stops her twice
-He takes her to a restaurant and treats her
-Kanbaru of course have her guard on
-Kaiki starts talking about how he knew her mother and that he promised to take care of Kanbaru if anything happened
-Turns out Kaiki was once in love with her mother
-It seems that Kanbaru is the only person Kaiki will ever treat in a good way
-Before Kaiki leaves she asks him how he knew she was gonna be outside of town and he tells her Numachi told him
-Kanbaru goes home and asks Karen to investigate Numachi
-The next day at school she sees Numachi in her classroom by herself
-It seems that Numachi have an ability to cause other people to not come into an area
-Numachi this time around have a cast on her left arm too
-Numachi came because she figures that Kanbaru wants to see her
-Before leaving she tells Kanbaru to see her at the gym after school
-She does and Numachi challenges her to a game of 1 on 1
-Afterwards she shows Kanbaru her left arm and feet and sees devil`s limbs
-It turns out that other than misfortune she is also collecting parts of the devil
-Numachi starts telling her story including what happened after her incident, how she met Kaiki and how she got her hands on her first devil`s part
-Numachi leaves and says it`s probably the last time they`ll ever see each other
-Kanbaru goes home and Karen phones her to tell her about what Tsuhiki found
-It turns out that Numachi died three years ago when she slit her waist after her incident
-She tries to phone Kaiki about this but she got no answer
-Kanbaru goes out and runs for ten hours
-She got so tired by the time the sun rose that she collapsed on the road
-A car almost ran her over and the driver came out to see if she was doing okay
-The driver was Araragi
-Kanbaru was really disappointed that Araragi was driving and a yellow Beetles at that too
-Araragi carries her on his car with both hands and she blushed
-When they got to her house it turns out that Kaiki sent her a package
-Inside was the devil`s head
-Using the head she lured Numachi to the gym again and they have another 1 on 1 for the rights to all the devil`s parts
-Kanbaru asks her if she have thought about going to the afterlife but the way Numachi answered showed that she doesn`t know she`s dead
-Kanbaru defeats her with a slam dunk and Numachi disappears leaving the parts on the ground
-The next day Araragi comes to help clean up her room and Kanbaru tells him about what happened during her ordeal
-She asks him to drive her to visit Numachi`s grave
-She also asks him to cut her hair
-It seems that Kanbaru is gonna start playing basketball again

[Romanticide]

From the sound of it, i thought Kanbaru was going to turn into Rainy Devil or something.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Romanticide

From the sound of it, i thought Kanbaru was going to turn into Rainy Devil or something.

Its sorta the opposite, Numachi was the one that was gonna turn devil

[Suzuku]

Originally Posted by omimon

The first time this was mentioned was in Nise 1 and we get information about this series by reading the actual novels. I'm personally reading Hana right now.

Ah I see. How was it implied though? Was a light joke or was it enough that we could reasonably say that they did it and Senjougahara got over her trauma? Also, did Araragi and Senjougahara break up though? Since I seem to read a lot about Araragi getting close to his sister(s).

[LotionExplosion]

Originally Posted by omimon

Alright I've finished reading Hana so here's a summary:

Spoiler:

-It the start of Kanbaru's third year as a high school student and of course that means Araragi and others have graduated
-Every once in a while she would have these dreams where her mother talks to her and starting giving weird life lessons
-It seems that ever since she was a toddler her mother never treated her like a child but an adult
-What this means is that Kanbaru was always told things that are beyond her maturity
-These life lessons are so weird that they have been stuck in her mind after all these years
-With that being said Kanbaru doesn't see her as a normal person
-It seems that her mother and father actually eloped because the Kanbaru family didn't agreed with their relationship
-On the first day of school Kanbaru wakes up with a cold sweat because she dreamt that her mother woke her up by saying something along the lines of, "Wakey wakey, my stupid daughter, today is the start of a new heartpounding school term."
-It seems that whenever she goes to sleep she would bind her devil's arm to a pillar so that she wouldn't start sleepwalking and committing crimes.
-She would also check the newspaper everyday so that she can make sure she didn't do anything
-While going to school Ougi the kouhai we were introduced to in Kabuki shows up
-HOWEVER, this time around Ougi is a boy rather than being a girl in Kabuki, I believe we have a gender-bender in our hands here
-After talking for a while Oogi tells her about the rumors of Àkuma-sama
-This Akuma-sama would solve all of your problems as long as you tell him about it
-Kanbaru fearing that she is actually Akuma-sama begins to search for him
-After Kanbaru reaches school and her new classroom (which is the same one Ararargi and others were in) we meet Higasa
-Higasa was the vice-captain during Kabaru`s second year and technically captain after she retires because of the devil
-After school Kanbaru phones Karen and asks her about any information around Akuma-sama
-Tsukihi is now the one doing all the work since Karen have gone into high school so their Fire Sister duo have broken up
-Also it seems that Araragi have gotten REALLY close to Karen ever since she became a high schooler
-Kanbaru fears that their relationship is heading towards a weird direction
-Kanbaru goes to meet Akuma-sama and the location happens to be the old cram school ruin
-She has been hiding a fact from Ararargi and others and that fact was that she actually attended this school before it went bankrupt
-She sees Akuma-sama and it turns out it was an old basketball rival of hers called, Numachi Rouka
-While Kanbura was a speedy offensive player Numachi was a slow defensive player
-When she sees her she notices that her left leg is in a cast
-She then remembers that three years ago during a match Numachi got into an accident during a match and broke her leg
-Kanbaru figures that if after all these years she still has a cast then that means the injury is forever
-Numachi tells her and what she does is collecting other people`s misfortunes
-Ever since breaking her leg she has been doing so to make herself feel beter about her injury
-Kanbaru disagrees with her hobby and hits her
-In retaliation she grabs Kanbaru`s breast and squeezes hard
-After talking for a while Numachi leaves and says she`ll drop the Akuma-sama name
-The next day Kanbaru sees that her left arm have returned to normal
-After going to school she talks to Higasa about Numachi
-Kanbaru tries to find Numachi since she thinks her arm getting fixed is related to her
-Five days later she and Higasa goes to a University outside of town to see a student recruiting event
-Afterwards they both leave and Higasa goes home by herself
-As Kanbaru is going home she meets Kaiki
-Kanbaru tries to follow Araragi and Senjougahara`s advice and runs away but Kaiki was faster than her and stops her twice
-He takes her to a restaurant and treats her
-Kanbaru of course have her guard on
-Kaiki starts talking about how he knew her mother and that he promised to take care of Kanbaru if anything happened
-Turns out Kaiki was once in love with her mother
-It seems that Kanbaru is the only person Kaiki will ever treat in a good way
-Before Kaiki leaves she asks him how he knew she was gonna be outside of town and he tells her Numachi told him
-Kanbaru goes home and asks Karen to investigate Numachi
-The next day at school she sees Numachi in her classroom by herself
-It seems that Numachi have an ability to cause other people to not come into an area
-Numachi this time around have a cast on her left arm too
-Numachi came because she figures that Kanbaru wants to see her
-Before leaving she tells Kanbaru to see her at the gym after school
-She does and Numachi challenges her to a game of 1 on 1
-Afterwards she shows Kanbaru her left arm and feet and sees devil`s limbs
-It turns out that other than misfortune she is also collecting parts of the devil
-Numachi starts telling her story including what happened after her incident, how she met Kaiki and how she got her hands on her first devil`s part
-Numachi leaves and says it`s probably the last time they`ll ever see each other
-Kanbaru goes home and Karen phones her to tell her about what Tsuhiki found
-It turns out that Numachi died three years old when she slit her waist after her incident
-She tries to phone Kaiki about this but she got no answer
-Kanbaru goes out and runs for ten hours
-She got so tired by the time the sun rose that she collapsed on the road
-A car almost ran her over and the driver came out to see if she was doing okay
-The driver was Araragi
-Kanbaru was really disappointed that Araragi was driving and a yellow Beetles at that too
-Araragi carries her on his car with both hands and she blushed
-When they got to her house it turns out that Kaiki sent her a package
-Inside was the devil`s head
-Using the head she lured Numachi to the gym again and they have another 1 on 1 for the rights to all the devil`s parts
-Kanbaru asks her if she have thought about going to the afterlife but the way Numachi answered showed that she doesn`t know she`s dead
-Kanbaru defeats her with a slam dunk and Numachi disappears leaving the parts on the ground
-The next day Araragi comes to help clean up her room and Kanbaru tells him about what happened during her ordeal
-She asks him to drive her to visit Numachi`s grave
-She also asks him to cut her hair
-It seems that Kanbaru is gonna start playing basketball again

Good to see one of my Favorite characters have a good ending... or at least I thought it was good.

Doesn't seem like there is alot of ERO but whatever, I enjoy story

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

Ah I see. How was it implied though? Was a light joke or was it enough that we could reasonably say that they did it and Senjougahara got over her trauma? Also, did Araragi and Senjougahara break up though? Since I seem to read a lot about Araragi getting close to his sister(s).

At the end of Nise 1 and after the confrontation with Kaiki, Senjougahara said, "Please be gentle with me tonight". It was pretty reasonably and then again we don't know for sure. They didn't break up and are still together up to Hana. As for the thing with his sisters, well he just likes to molest them.

[Shadow5YA]

So then what happens to the parts?

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

So then what happens to the parts?

Spoiler:

She ended up giving it all to Araragi. She told him that he can let Shinobu eat them. She thought about collecting them all in Numachi's place but decided not to.

Personally I wanted someone to collect them all so that we'll see what happens when they come together.