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I get the feeling they used The Last Samurai's explanation for the gatling gun. But the first trailer is such a troll, it goes about the way of the samurai. Only to get devastated by the gatling gun. I can see the gatling gun being extremely overused in multiplayer. When someone just sits there and camps, blocking all entry points with nothing but those guns.
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2012-02-06, 18:35 | Link #67 | |
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The Gatling has high rate of fire, but you can't snipe with it. It would stop any charge, sure, but I am not sure it can out-range even the archers. It is probably more of an anti-melee unit than as an all purpose weapon.
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2012-02-06, 19:22 | Link #68 | ||
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I'm looking forward to shredding T*m Cru*se with the Gatling Gun. Unlike the movie, I'll make sure they don't miss (or keep firing if he's still talking )
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So, are they going to go with 'two weeks per turn' a la Napoleon? What's the starting year, anyway? Will this cover the Satsuma Rebellion?
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2012-02-07, 14:05 | Link #69 |
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The gatling gun's range is 250.
I'm pretty sure the artillery range is a lot higher than that so that would balance it out. Plus it's a direct line of sight weapon so it's useless if the guy is coming up from a hill. |
2012-02-07, 18:11 | Link #71 |
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In the LAST SAMURAI movie, the samurais were able to reach the soldiers by attacking with horses at full gallop (attacking at the front was heroic but crazy).
Cannons ( and guns probably) are of full effectiveness when a target is at a fix position. Spreading my troops and using natural shields ( trees) would minimize casualities. I'm discourage to use forts when battling an enemy with a far longer range unless I have more further range. My classic strategy against artillery (in all TOTAL WAR )is through "ambush" method (not in the campaign but in the battlefield itself). But its effectiveness depends on the terrain unless you surround them when horses and charging in different directions will likely raise your chance in winning. Attacking in front is suicidal. |
2012-02-08, 09:01 | Link #73 | |
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2012-02-08, 10:37 | Link #75 | |
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Yes, it's very overpowered - there's a reason the Japanese (and the rest of the world) phased out their bows in favor of rifles and machine guns. I don't see why it has to be de-powered for balance purpose, really - they can balance it by making it ridiculously expensive (and thus much, much harder to spam), but reducing its stats just to give obsolete weapons a fair fight is silly. This is Fall of the Samurai, when they realize that the old ways can use some update. Don't believe the bullshit that Last Samurai movie taught you - the Samurai forces of the dying Tokugawa Shogunate and the Satsuma Rebellion also heavily used rifles. Both opposing sides of the Boshin War modernized.
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2012-02-08, 10:40 | Link #76 | |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...AvFup8Y#t=325s It's even been used as a sniper rifle when mounted with a telescopic sight. Still a gatling gun is more of a fixed weapon, so only really useful as a base of fire weapon to screen troop movements or to deny an avenue of attack from the enemy. Just ask the defenders of San Juan Hill during the Spanish American war. You just have to attack a gatling gun like you would any fixed position. Fix it's firing arc by attacking in one direction, then FLANK IT! |
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2012-02-08, 10:52 | Link #77 | |
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I would be interested to see how they could balance with the Gatlings. I envision having gatling guns defending artillery units. One takes care of extreme long range, the other prevents anyone from getting close.
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2012-02-08, 11:07 | Link #78 | ||
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And platemail can actually resist bullets from early arquebus. It only fell out of favor when the evolution of muskets outstrips the evolution of body armor. Quote:
If the defending artillery targets the enemy artillery, then the infantry might get too close. If they target the incoming charge, enemy artillery can attack them unmolested. Yes, it will still be bloody. On the bright side, I don't seem to recall the Boshin War as having trench battles that makes it even more bloody .
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2012-02-08, 14:33 | Link #79 | |
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It's not that much more different than dealing with cannons armed with canister rounds that can shred line infantry to pieces.
Use either artillery to break it up or take advantage of the fact that it moves slowly and has a fixed arc to fire in. Therefore use cannon fodder to draw its attention and then engage it with flanking cavalry. If it's a really well defended place then you have no choice but to use brute force and will suffer heavy casualities for it. Quote:
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2012-02-08, 15:36 | Link #80 | |
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A modern machine gun with a tripod can have an effective range of up to two kilometers. If modern machine guns were so crappy at long range, then WW1 would have simply had marksmen effortlessly picking them off from long distance, just like in your average FPS where a mounted machine gun is given shit accuracy compared to most precision weapons for balance reasons. The thing people forget is that bows suffer even more bad accuracy at range. You know how some bows are touted at having a range of 175 meters? That's massed volley fire against an area target, not your archers aiming at individual guys. If you have any kind of weapon firing rifled bullets, you're going to be able to accurately hit individuals at 300 yards easy if they're out in the open. edit: If anyone wants to get familiarized with Machine guns, I'd suggest this WW2 infantry training video. Machine guns on bipods firing 7.62/.30 caliber rifle ammunition CAN be reliably expected to engage dug in targets at a thousand yards.
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