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Taufiq91 · 2011-01-30, 22:22

I started watching Martian Successor Nadesico, and seeing how awesome it was made me feel sad for the company behind it.

I mean,

they went from this.....

to this.....

And you know what? It's been 5 years since Xebec announced they would never make a sequel to Stellvia & Nadesico, and within those 5 years the only i enjoyed by Xebec is MM! And that's because it has Tomokazu Sugita, Ayana Taketatsu & really funny hentai jokes which covers up certain bad aspects of it like the animation.

What happened Xebec? You were even involved in the animation of Evangelion with Kyoto Animation and SHAFT, and look at KyoAni & SHAFT! For a company that is under Production IG, i don't seeing anything IG-ish about Xebec's animes currently.

Ichihara Asako · 2011-01-30, 23:19

They certainly have gone downhill when you look back at Stellvia and Nadesico and then forward to the likes of Kanokon and TLR.

It's probably just a matter of cutting back and sticking to what sells, which atm is largely ecchi. I'm really not sure, but it does disappoint me a great deal. I'd love a Stellvia sequel more than anything else I can think of (that would be a natural continuation, not forced milking).

Taufiq91 · 2011-01-30, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Ichihara Asako

They certainly have gone downhill when you look back at Stellvia and Nadesico and then forward to the likes of Kanokon and TLR.

It's probably just a matter of cutting back and sticking to what sells, which atm is largely ecchi. I'm really not sure, but it does disappoint me a great deal. I'd love a Stellvia sequel more than anything else I can think of (that would be a natural continuation, not forced milking).

But if they want to make ecchi they could make ecchi in forms like Strike Witches or a Gurren Lagann-esque anime filled with 50 Yoko Littners jiggling around with giant mechas instead of basic "LOOK! BOOBS!" animes like Rio! RainbowGate.

I don't mind ecchi and fanservice. In fact, i'm a HUGE fan of ecchi and fanservice, especially if they're funny & ironic. but if you have a studio that was responsible for Nadesico, love Hina & Stellvia, you expect better!

Vexx · 2011-01-30, 23:33

Aye, there's "quality" ecchi... and then there's this really lame cut-rate stuff. Companies tend to be secretive... but you'd probably find that key people with vision left the company.... or were forced out by someone with more power than brains.

Ichihara Asako · 2011-01-30, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Taufiq91

I don't mind ecchi and fanservice. In fact, i'm a HUGE fan of ecchi and fanservice, especially if they're funny & ironic.

Don't get me wrong, I love ecchi, but only when it's rationalised, not just t&a for the hell of it. Or shows dedicated to it while fobbing off a real story (like Kanokon, had a little bit of promising development and threw it away for more "cake").

TJR · 2011-01-30, 23:52

Xebec is wholly owned by IG Port (the management/holding company created for Production I.G.), which probably has a big impact on the company's direction.

During the 90s, I.G. focused on movies and OVAs, while Xebec handled the TV end of things. However, starting last decade, I.G. shifted directions to become a powerhouse producer of TV anime.

If I had to guess, Xebec may have become somewhat redundant at this point, with I.G. diverting most of its financing to the flagship studio/brand. That would leave the former as a go-to studio for low grade anime (which still helps the group as a whole. Most production houses depend on a mix of flagship projects and cheap cash-ins to balance cash flow, whereas IG Port can let each studio specialize in one area of the business).

Mizuno · 2011-01-30, 23:52

Nadesico looks like a show in this gen when compared to Rio... that's how bad it looks, to me anyway.

Quarkboy · 2011-01-30, 23:57

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Originally Posted by TJR

Xebec is wholly owned by IG Port (the management/holding company created for Production I.G.), which probably has a big impact on the company's direction.

During the 90s, I.G. focused on movies and OVAs, while Xebec handled the TV end of things. However, starting last decade, I.G. shifted directions to become a powerhouse producer of TV anime.

If I had to guess, Xebec may have become somewhat redundant at this point, with I.G. diverting most of its financing to the flagship studio/brand. That would leave the former as a go-to studio for low grade anime (which still helps the group as a whole. Most production houses depend on a mix of flagship projects and cheap cash-ins to balance cash flow, whereas IG Port can let each studio specialize in one area of the business).

This.

Xebec is basically IG Prod.'s B-team now.

0utf0xZer0 · 2011-01-31, 00:03

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Originally Posted by Quarkboy

This.

Xebec is basically IG Prod.'s B-team now.

To be completely honest, I keep getting the impression that IG gives Xebec whatever projects they don't want to be associated with Production IG's name. Meaning: pretty much all their ecchi stuff.

Xellos-_^ · 2011-01-31, 00:35

why not just make Hentai, doesn't that make more cash then ecchi?

Taufiq91 · 2011-01-31, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Mizuno

Nadesico looks like a show in this gen when compared to Rio... that's how bad it looks, to me anyway.

To be honest i had more fun watching Nadesico than the post-North Maiden episodes of Star Driver.

SilverSyko · 2011-01-31, 00:51

Seems pretty simple to me, they're just making incredibly stupid choices.

If they wanna run their company into the ground then they can for all I care if that's the case.

Taufiq91 · 2011-01-31, 04:57

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

why not just make Hentai, doesn't that make more cash then ecchi?

Why not just make real porn, doesn't that make more cash then hentai?

Khu · 2011-01-31, 06:24

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Originally Posted by Taufiq91

Why not just make real porn, doesn't that make more cash then hentai?

We might be on to their business scheme, guys.

In 5 years they'll phase through to hentai; then another 10 and they'll jump to real porn.

I said it first here, folks.

But yeah, Xebec used to have really great anime...though I guess it's the same as a publishers in the gaming industry - when you have multiple studios, you push out low cost cash converters through small studios and big blockbuster games through your well known developers.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-01-31, 06:49

I must be missing something here, but if they don't want those project, why do they even pick it up in the first place?

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2011-01-31, 08:56

I'm watching an anime called Mnemosyne which is by Xebec. Contains quite a lot of ero-gore fanservice. It does have pretty good characters with a reasonable plot for the grim dark/supernatural genre though. Granted this was made in 2006-07?

Taufiq91 · 2011-01-31, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I must be missing something here, but if they don't want those project, why do they even pick it up in the first place?

Well, it's like a delivered package you don't want but instead of throwing it away or returning it to the sender, you give it to a relative whom you think can do something about it.

It's basically how IG/XEBEC relationships go nowadays.

Kameruka · 2011-01-31, 19:50

While Shaft is a bad studio, XEBEC is even worse. They screwed lots of good mangas. As example only first 6 episodes of To Love-Ru followed its manga while all of others are fillers. Elemental Gelade looks nothing like its manga at all.

Taufiq91 · 2011-01-31, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Kameruka

While Shaft is a bad studio, XEBEC is even worse. They screwed lots of good mangas. As example only first 6 episodes of To Love-Ru followed its manga while all of others are fillers. Elemental Gelade looks nothing like its manga at all.

true true.

And like i've said, the only thing XEBEC has done in the past 5 years that is remotely decent is MM!

That's it.

Echoes · 2011-01-31, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Taufiq91

true true.

And like i've said, the only thing XEBEC has done in the past 5 years that is remotely decent is MM!

That's it.

I don't agree with that at all. At the very least I think that "remotely decent" has to be an example of hyperbole.

Pandora Hearts was good, I thought. Zombie Loan was quite alright, and someone already mentioned Mnemosyne in this thread, which I found to be very good.

But it's not surprising that I disagree with you, given that I thought MM! was absolutely horrible. Xebec isn't a great studio overall, but I don't think they should be dismissed entirely. Of course, it's all a matter of taste.

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Taufiq91 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010	Xebec: Studio discussion, speculation, and whatnot I started watching Martian Successor Nadesico, and seeing how awesome it was made me feel sad for the company behind it. I mean, they went from this..... to this..... And you know what? It's been 5 years since Xebec announced they would never make a sequel to Stellvia & Nadesico, and within those 5 years the only i enjoyed by Xebec is MM! And that's because it has Tomokazu Sugita, Ayana Taketatsu & really funny hentai jokes which covers up certain bad aspects of it like the animation. What happened Xebec? You were even involved in the animation of Evangelion with Kyoto Animation and SHAFT, and look at KyoAni & SHAFT! For a company that is under Production IG, i don't seeing anything IG-ish about Xebec's animes currently. __________________ http://animemix.tumblr.com/

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Aye, there's "quality" ecchi... and then there's this really lame cut-rate stuff. Companies tend to be secretive... but you'd probably find that key people with vision left the company.... or were forced out by someone with more power than brains. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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Xellos-_^ Not Enough Sleep Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: R'lyeh Age: 48	why not just make Hentai, doesn't that make more cash then ecchi? __________________

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SilverSyko Okuyasu the Bird Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 32	Seems pretty simple to me, they're just making incredibly stupid choices. If they wanna run their company into the ground then they can for all I care if that's the case. __________________

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Ichihara Asako Horoist Join Date: Oct 2007	They certainly have gone downhill when you look back at Stellvia and Nadesico and then forward to the likes of Kanokon and TLR. It's probably just a matter of cutting back and sticking to what sells, which atm is largely ecchi. I'm really not sure, but it does disappoint me a great deal. I'd love a Stellvia sequel more than anything else I can think of (that would be a natural continuation, not forced milking).

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TJR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Xebec is wholly owned by IG Port (the management/holding company created for Production I.G.), which probably has a big impact on the company's direction. During the 90s, I.G. focused on movies and OVAs, while Xebec handled the TV end of things. However, starting last decade, I.G. shifted directions to become a powerhouse producer of TV anime. If I had to guess, Xebec may have become somewhat redundant at this point, with I.G. diverting most of its financing to the flagship studio/brand. That would leave the former as a go-to studio for low grade anime (which still helps the group as a whole. Most production houses depend on a mix of flagship projects and cheap cash-ins to balance cash flow, whereas IG Port can let each studio specialize in one area of the business).

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Mizuno Undefined Join Date: May 2004 Location: With the gods Age: 40	Nadesico looks like a show in this gen when compared to Rio... that's how bad it looks, to me anyway.

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~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	I'm watching an anime called Mnemosyne which is by Xebec. Contains quite a lot of ero-gore fanservice. It does have pretty good characters with a reasonable plot for the grim dark/supernatural genre though. Granted this was made in 2006-07?

2011-01-31, 19:50	Link #18
Kameruka Hen-Tie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hen-Tie pen	While Shaft is a bad studio, XEBEC is even worse. They screwed lots of good mangas. As example only first 6 episodes of To Love-Ru followed its manga while all of others are fillers. Elemental Gelade looks nothing like its manga at all.