2021-03-21, 08:50 | Link #7541 | |
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Belial needed a match to study Riser and Ravel to understand the rigeneration of the tears and demoniac power is the most easy thing to understand. If he was able of doing it, Issei in vol20 would have been unable to use the Boosted Gear. |
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2021-03-21, 09:40 | Link #7543 | ||
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meanwhile, as giuseppe said, the lead expert on sacred gear research has only recently found out how to make working artificial sacred gears that are still inferior in comparison. there is no way that diehauser can understand a longinus of all things in middle of battle. |
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2021-03-21, 23:10 | Link #7544 | |
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2021-03-26, 14:25 | Link #7545 | |
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2021-04-01, 08:56 | Link #7546 | |
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At that time he was already able to invalidate Booster Gears basic ability even without being able to invalidate booster gear so at that time there's no point for him to learn the ins and outs of Sacred Gear and Longinus.Issei in Cardinal Crimson Promotion(his combat power at that time was just comparable to Ultimate class) at that time so logically speaking he was bound to lose even if he use the Penetrate and Longinus is Issei even stated himself that he can't defeat Diehauser even with that powerful combo. |
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2021-05-21, 20:53 | Link #7547 | |
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2021-05-22, 03:07 | Link #7548 | |
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Loki, a God of middle level were able to manage easily Barakiel and Azazel, two Maou-Class at best equal to the OG and for him they were not even a threat. Now Indra is not only a top 10 beings, the best of every mythology, but even stronger than the major part of them. This is the guy able whose attacks are as strong as IF and x4 maou should be equal to him? Even Typhon had to as strong as Ddraig, but we saw how it ended even with the help of a Chief-God. |
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2021-06-14, 03:05 | Link #7549 |
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In my estimate Indra and Sirzechs should be more or less comparable to each other in terms of overall combat strength or if there's a gap it should be almost negligible in my opinion. But if I were to pick I'd pick Sirzechs over Indra due to Sirzechs Power of Destruction but that's me though.
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2021-11-22, 19:28 | Link #7553 | |||
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Indra would have to fight against four trained opponents at once, something that is incredibly difficult and nigh-impossible for real life fighters in a straight fight without a significant advantage in skill and strength. Quote:
-- I don't disagree with True Form Sirzechs being stronger than Indra, but I don't agree with it either. I just don't know. *Thinking about it, I don't remember if the current Satans have actually been stated in universe as being stronger. Forgive me if that is community head canon. Last edited by Fog Gate Boss; 2021-11-22 at 19:48. |
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2021-11-25, 12:42 | Link #7554 | |
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The other 2 are Satan Class tier, maybe even the former were stronger. |
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2021-11-25, 22:00 | Link #7555 | |
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For me, I just consider that Maou-class are devils who have power equivalent to Gods, while Super Devils are Devils with powers beyond Gods. |
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2021-11-27, 05:01 | Link #7556 | |||
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It was enough have read Dx4 where Ravel stated Issei and even Grayfia to have a power maou-class or even better. Quote:
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In vol12 it was always said the difference between Ophis and Shiva was extremely immense, but then Ophis lost 1/4 of her power, neither half is weaker than Shiva. Ishibumi said Typhoon was equal to Ddraig, but we have seen there is a big power gap even with the help of Apollon. Loki could easily handle together two maou class beings and it’s not even a Chief God. Ddraig could easily handle Typhoon and Apollon. Indra, who is even more powerful firing from each attack an Infinity blaster should have difficulty to handle x4 maou? Hell, even Hades that’s weaker was stated that Azazel, Sirzechs base form, Dulio (the victory card of Heaven) and Tobio (God level) together could not even challenge him. Loki did x2 and During the peace meeting where there were him, Sirzechs, Serafall and Michael, Kiba stated Azazel’s power was the the second strongest here. Last edited by Giuseppe1234; 2021-11-27 at 06:20. |
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2021-11-27, 09:21 | Link #7557 |
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Again nothing from the story indicates that Maou-class is inferior to God-class. If you're going to use feat, Fenrir is top 10 beast that is equivalent to Ddraig & Albion but all his current feat doesn't feel that way, so feats doesn't mean much. Besides in combat, experience matters more than power, Sun Wukong is always the best example. Even Cao Cao overpowered the Gremory and Vali team in V11 but is Cao Cao stronger than them in power? So there's nothing to say that a God will always win against a Maou vice versa.
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2021-11-27, 10:47 | Link #7558 | |
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Issei CxC was completely destroyed by Thanatos, a God-Class being. Issei specifically said he need to use DxD to fight God-Class beings of every type and even Sairaorg Btb because his power is higher than a maou-class. Otherwise for which reason it existes the term over-maou class or Super Devil? Because each of them overpassed the maou-class reaching the God-Class. Experience is always irrelevant in combat aside if you are Strada or Vasco. Shall I have to remember you how Issei defeated enemies with centuries or thousands years of experience? Sun Wukong even if lacks in raw power is always a God-Class being and Cao Cao together Kiba and Nezha are the only three technique types who can fight stronger opponents due to their technique in the whole story. In raw power a maou-class is always inferior to God-Class of every level. |
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2021-11-27, 12:25 | Link #7559 |
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Kiba was wrong about Azazel's power. Azazel had to use Balance Breaker to win against Cattleya, who is weaker than Serafall. Shalba was only on par with the previous Beelzebub using Ophis’ snake, so Cattleya should be around that level with Ophis’ snake as well.
Sirzechs > Serafall > original Beelzebub ~ Shalba w/ Ophis’ snake ~ Cattleya w/ Ophis’ snake >~ Azazel. So he was definitely not the second strongest at the peace conference. The current Maou were said to be on par with the previous Maou in Volume 2 or so, but subsequent volumes have retconned them to be above that level. There's a lot of powerscaling retcons, simply because the novel has gone on longer than Ishibumi planned for. |
2021-11-27, 18:50 | Link #7560 | |
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Second, "Issei CxC was completely destroyed by Thanatos, a God-Class being." Your point? Ise also got trashed by Diehauser in CxC, are you going to say it was before unlocking DxD? You can say that but it doesn't change that Ise CxC still lost to Diehauser. Third, "Otherwise for which reason it existes the term over-maou class or Super Devil? Because each of them overpassed the maou-class reaching the God-Class." Again, where in the story has it been mentioned that God-class is superior than Maou-class. This is going back to the Great Red > Ophis thing. Ishibumi never confirmed that, its just us fans thinking so. Also Devils aren't Gods, it doesn't make sense for them to be called God-class when they're beings that are direct opposite of them. As for Super Devils are, they are Devils that transcended logic, Sirzechs & Ajuka literally have hack like abilities that easily surpasses even Gods. Even Rizevim has the SG Canceller that would make a Longinus useless before him when a Longinus is created to kill Gods. The Rizevim portion is before Ise unlocking Penetrate. |
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