2008-10-19, 16:14 | Link #2121 | |
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So time to make a few turns: *Suzaku lacked logic there as he should have calculated the possibility that Gino would return as a more formidable enemy. He didn't even think to imprison him and bring him to Lelouch. *Luciano has friggin hadron cannons in the legs of the Percival. Lelouch's shields were already weakened by Anya. Just shoot the shield some more and Lelouch is dead. He also spent five seconds or so just holding the drill connected to the Mirage without drilling it in. He could have killed Lelouch but passed the chance because of pride. *Lancelot Albion is faster than Tristan's harken. Just fly back and either VARIS or wing blast and Gino's dead. *If you say so, then fine, no detrimental effect. But the fact that he was willing to play around and cross and uncross his arms means that he's not entirely focused on the task at hand. Lastly, even in scifi, there's at least some sort of made up "scientific explanation" as to why certain things defy logic (e.g. sakuradite, float system, radiation surge) when you see them piloting, you can immediately tell what the outcome of the battle is. Another example: Jeremiah v. Suzaku, 2nd battle of Tokyo: Jeremiah does not use his slash harkens, even when Gino comes to Suzaku's rescue. Later we learn that the Sutherland Sieg has a heck of a lot of equipment, enough to defeat the Conquista since Suzaku can't load his hadron blaster as fast as Jeremiah can ram the Conquista with radiation shielding and then harken the Knightmare using that giant spear/ram thing. |
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2008-10-19, 16:15 | Link #2122 | |
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Oh yes, three times is so much he should have just kept shooting to apply more pressure. I also mentioned that he doesn't use wing blasts on Kallen. If he had comboed that with the VARIS, he woud have been able to deplete her stocks of radiation surge, which is used for shielding, flight, and offense while he still has MVS if he runs out of energy and VARIS shots. Suzaku's long MVS, which he has 2 of is superior to Kallen's stubby, short MVD Oh yes, because your counters are so informative. If you think I'm wasting your time then don't respond. |
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2008-10-19, 16:18 | Link #2123 | |
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I'll refute your points with simple answers. * Logic or not (oooh, logic), Gino was hardly more formidable against Suzaku anyway. In fact, he got dealt with just as quickly. * Lelouch wasn't meant to die. * Gino wasn't meant to die. * Lelouch was in no way unfocused, and he crossed his arms for all of about 10 seconds. |
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2008-10-19, 16:25 | Link #2124 | |
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*Gino allowed Kallen to get in Suzaku's way by disabling part of the Blaze on the Damocles *But he should have, if things made any sense *See one above *He was crossing and uncrossing, multitasking where unnecessary, that's being unfocused. "Hey! I'll play with my arms while trying to get my sister out of a warzone because those two things are equally important!" Like I've said before, logic makes its way into the trash for the story to progress. Part of a good story is that it has somewhat realistic elements. Season 1 kinda had it, R2 completely lost it. |
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2008-10-19, 16:29 | Link #2125 |
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* Because that was going to happen. Clash of the titans. Inevitable.
* But he didn't, because he had to play his role- saving Kallen. * But he didn't, because he had to play his role- Zero Requiem, going through betrayal, saved by Rolo, all that. * Does it even matter? Lelouch as Zero is a poser. I honestly don't know why you expect an anime such as this to follow a dead-set logical, military (in terms of mech battles) code. If you want something like that out of mecha, I suggest VOTOMS, or maybe FMP. This isn't meant to be flat-out logical. |
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You first. Quit trolling already.
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2) Suzaku didn't use wing blasts on Kallen. If he did Kallen could not dodge it without crashing into Damocles or the blaze system. 3) Ok, I'll give you the argument about the chaos mine; however, it doesn't take much to dodge attacks in an open area. 3) |
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2008-10-19, 18:54 | Link #2128 |
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I'm saying that Geass isn't the most logical show on the block, not that logic doesn't exist. You want it to be all-out logical through what you say.
Oh, and by the way, Gino shut down the shielding, so Kallen had far much more room to breathe. Last edited by Dream_Traveller; 2008-10-19 at 19:13. |
2008-10-19, 18:58 | Link #2129 | |
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Chaos mines don't spray shrapnel over that wide an area. The spray area in Stage 11 is only two or three Knightmares wide at most. Jeremiah couldn't move, so Suzaku had to block.
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2008-10-19, 19:00 | Link #2130 |
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you could also ask why kallen didnt use the wide range or energy disk attacks (i dont think the albion's shield would have stood against the disks, since they look almost solid and much more powerfull then normal beams)
neither one would ever hit their target (and neither would the wing blast)
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2008-10-19, 20:06 | Link #2132 | |
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its seems like a more concentrated form of energy (which is probably ment for more armored targets
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2008-10-20, 15:20 | Link #2135 |
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Not to put out the joy you're obviously having from your flame war, but I have some general questions to try and find answers for:
1) How does stopping a person's perception of time cause their power-assisted mech to fall out of the sky? (Rolo when escaping with Lelouch in Turn 19) 2) What kind of idiot allowed the G-Train to be put in place? Lelouch is a teenage child, admittedly with geass, but surely he can't have got everyone? Most of the Black Knights aren't Brittanian, and those who are were probably blacklisted, and surely the horribly racist society of Brittania wouldn't allow a foreigner to make anything dealing with their precious citizens? Who could have put it in there? Anyway, back to your war. |
2008-10-20, 15:36 | Link #2136 | |
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2. Lelouch is Britannian, and I'm pretty sure he geassed the train staff to install it for him |
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2008-10-20, 15:47 | Link #2137 |
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Thanks, hadn't looked at them those ways.
Very sad at loss of Code Geass to control my Sundays - would watch Gundam, but I feel that I am either too late, so wouldn't know important stuff, or that I'd do what I did with Bleach earlier this year - have an urge to binge entirely on all of Gundam to get up to date, turning me into a miserable obsessive wreck of a human being. Bleach was a mere 150 episodes, with downloading and PC switching slowing me down, but with a stabler environment, I don't know what I'd do. |
2008-10-26, 16:53 | Link #2139 |
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i have a theory i would like your input on
i think that the SEITEN functions in a way that could almost be descirbed as a fortress mode it switches between the human mode and fortress mode by folding its wings around its body in much the same way as the tristain can switch between human mode and fortress mode in human mode the SEITEN can use all of its functions and weapon systems (the arm the dagger and the harkens) in fortress mode it turns into what has been dubbed "the pinball" its wings surround it and prevent it from using its weapons but they then serve as its weapons themselves by allowing it to smash into enemies and destroy them (we already know the wings can slice KMF's apart) if you watch some of the fights kallen actually switches between the modes every time she uses the energy wings increased speed (which the albion does not do) it doesnt change the form of the KMF completely (like the shinkiro and tristan) but it does switch modes for different functions (in her fight against the KoT, it almost seems to slow her down after dogging the missiles)
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In relation to a fan-fic i'm writing atm i have a question about when the Shen-Hu was constructed.
I believe in Ep 10 or whatever it was stated that it was built at the same time as the original model Guren Nishki, but it was shelved indefinitely because they had went so far overspec that no-one could pilot it. Is this right or does my interpretation or sub suck? However what about Kallen? Now i know shes more of a brawler than anything else but the Shen Hu was easily superior to the original Guren and equal too or slightly better than the enhanced aerial version. Kallen could handle the SEITEN though and its like what, over 9000 times better? Why didn't she get it? I'm sure she could've easily raped Suzaku in the Lancelot in S1 if she had it, plot constraints be damned. |
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