2017-04-15, 11:03 | Link #101 | |
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Anyway, I too felt that this was a great first episode to what looks to have a lot of potential as a series. And while I don't think it was polite to just say "you have terrible writing sense", I must agree that placing thorough explanations of so many details so early in the story would indeed be very poor sense. If a story gave a fraction of the amount of detail you're talking about, the first episode would have no time to really delve into the characters and their situation, leaving it boring from the lack of action and also overwhelming with way too much information. |
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2017-04-15, 16:07 | Link #103 |
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We'll have to wait and see. The music and style is pretty good at least. I won't mind if it gets a little long at times. The only reason I didn't stick around with Grimgar is because of the paper-thin plot armor and the extreme depression. This one doesn't seem to have that. There isn't that sort of air of "no matter what we do, we're doomed" here, so as long as the guy doesn't find most of his weapons murdered within the first few episodes I for one will stick around.
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2017-04-18, 07:53 | Link #104 | |||||
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As for your question, Harry Dresden made a nice post last page already : Quote:
Attractive or not is not the problem btw, it's human looking or not that is important. Why? Because attractive looking will come by itself with the change of environment they suffered in this precise verse. I'll answer that in detail below. Quote:
Right, so let's start from here. Well then, what happened 525 years ago? Humanity was wiped out. This is a complete change for the troll race. They can no longer live the way they lived, at all. Not only because they can't feed on human, but because without the human race, they can't pretend to be human to fool peoples on entering their house and feasting there. Especially since there's racism around about disfeatured races who look like human, no one is going to stay in their house that way, and even disfeatured will know they're not human so the "what race are you" will be a natural question. If ahuman traveller were to stop ona house with human-looking inhabitants during its travel, such question wouldn't pop up that naturally. On top of this, they live on floating islands, the place is limited, you can't avoid being listed as troll, anyone will know it. So they can't eat peoples freely anymore, they would be quickly found out, with nowhere to really hide, and accused of murder right away. The key point is "500 years". They had 500 years to evolve. they HAD to evolve. 500 years ago, our ancestors were a lot more "rustic", and many more had things like "scars dirt nailfingers and things like that ". We changed due to our environment changing. They changed just the same, due to not being able to live the same way as before. They had to adapt living here. And Nyglatho clearly said what is needed to understand how can troll still manage to feed on sentient races even now, in this situation. "if you say it's okay to eat you[...]" As long as they get the "okay" from their victim, they can do it. There's plenty of way to achieve that, but for a female troll like Nyglatho, just looking at various comments on youtube and various boards from many peoples saying they would be "okay to be eaten", you can guess one of them easily. is that so hard to understand what are the kind of ways trolls had to change their appearance in order to adapt? I mean it's not like they had to change physically. just look more proper, attractive, sexy maybe, behave in a more playfull or cool and attractive way, that kind of things. All of this is plenty doable for any race, especially over 500 years. You could say that in reverse, considering how much their environment changed 500 years ago, it would be ILLOGICAL to have the troll still be very rustic and not taking the time to look proper and attractive. Note that Nyglatho is huge for a" human woman". Wilhelm isn't especially short, and she's taller than him. So the troll are still more massive than human. They didn't evolve physically, they evolved through those 500 years in their behaviour and the way they dress/take care of their outward appearance. That's what you can conclude from the various things Nyglatho said to Wilhelm about Trolls. We already can pretty much reconstitute what they were and what the yare from the first episode. So much for the first episode not giving a lot of info, btw. Quote:
Didn't you see how folks reacted to seeing ONE disfeatured in town? Can you imagine the reaction of those folks if they had to be in Nyglatho's job? Well you don't even need to imagine it, since Nyglatho described it. 3 as if I could remain here!" they said, as she quoted them. They didn't even remain for one single day inside the warehouse. And that's why this time around the military side asked for a disfeatured, and got Wilhelm for the job. Because only another disfeatured race would say "okay" to live in a place with DOZENS of ominous disfeatured children running around all days. So even if trolls in that verse were NOT human like, you would have had another disfeatured race instead. And since obviously wilhelm will have the role of the "father" it feels more natural for the story to have a woman for the other side. If anything, choosing to have a giant woman like Nyglatho that look at wilhelm as a nice looking dinner is going away from any possible fanservice a more waifu-like petite and cute woman caretaker would have given. Furthermore, I 'd point out once again that you're wasting your time trying to find fan service in a story that has no action, no harem, no ecchi to begin with. That's because a story that discard most of the genre that would make it easier to appeal to a larger audience and sell more is a story that isn't going for fanservice to begin with. Let's be real, if the author wanted fanservice, with such a setting, it would have been very easy for him to have action, harem AND ecchi happening all the time. I mean the synopsis itself can easily be misinterpreted as such type of story and I'm sure many anime watchers made the mistake at first. Instead he didn't. So yeah, you're wasting your time with the whole fanservice idea.
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2017-04-18, 10:26 | Link #105 | |
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have some fanservice don't automatically turn a serie in "ecchi or harem or whatever you want", you can have bath scenes and some lewd actions and excessivly attractive characters and do fanservice and still not a ecchi serie because that is not the focus is just a "attractive' or eyecandy for peoples, ecchi series are the ones where "exposure" and that things are one of the focus like the girl appearing naked a lot, pants shots and things like that this is what make a serie ecchi and it's also don't automatically means also "harem" which is another different thing, not every ecchi automatically means "harem", while a huge majority of the LN are harem and also are ecchi this don't means which all of then gonna be. it's obvious which the writer used that "tale about attractive" female trolls" not only for "plot but also to get some fanservice here and there, unless you have really big issues with accepting somethings which you gonna say which the way she look and act is just "for plot reasons" and don't have any fanservice included on it. about the prejudice, ok as we know in that village not everyone is "racist" the peoples which knew the mc well already threated him good even he being a "human" as we see, then this means which is possible for trolls to live around the beast look ones, they just need to gain the trust in the same way the mc gained, it's just some peoples are it" not everyone as we see, then for trolls being disfeature could not be a so big deal as long everyone already aware of then. now thinking better based on that logic of eating peoples and use tricks and sex appeal, using a troll to "take care of somehow innocent childrens" is even more dangerous, she could easy trick the little girls and eat then, why for mc she can't hold back too much but for the girls she can???, plot convenience she only want to eat mc, when you have another "race which look like humans" at her side which in most of cases are little innocent kids which could easy be tricked by her to be eaten. and another note again not was "tolkien fault" for that trolls being popular, that already was the most popular in the most modern tales on that time, if you even look at last the "troll movie" you could see which they where different from the tales, which is normally about then have big noises and ears while at last in movie they where opposite with small noises and ears. what he did was just pick what was the most popular look and added on his tales, this not was "tolken fault" for that look being the most knowed.
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2017-04-18, 11:53 | Link #108 |
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Oh man, here we go with the beginning of the suffering but let's say the good points first.
The VA choices for Ithea and Nephren was perfect, really fit their personalities. Nygglatho as always one of those characters that makes you smile a lot, and Kutori the best, just the best. Now, as for the hard part. Basically the leprechaun are the kids that can wield these special weapons to defeat the beasts, for them, their lifes doesn't matter and all what they do is fulfilling their role as weapons. That moment when Almite went to find the ball... I understand Wilhelm's feelings and I'm so glad he choose the painful path, trying to give them a little light in their lifes, especially Kutori. The kiss scene, damn that was so perfectly done and the mix with Wilhem's memories showing more of the past give that scene a perfect balance. Always when I watch this I remember one thing, "do not get attached to the characters". Last edited by AB079; 2017-04-18 at 15:24. |
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2017-04-18, 12:26 | Link #111 |
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Episode 2
OP is decent. I still don't like the song but the visuals convey the setting of the show(frantic slice of life which will eventually be cut short by bloody battle) well as well as foreshadowing stuff without being too obvious about it. Overall if the first episode set up the characters, this episode gives a nice amount of lore, as well as setting up the "main conflict" of the story(Importance of Life) as well as ongoing plot threads. We are off to a good start so far. Hopefully the quality of the show remains good. I hope people don't take the massage scene the wrong way. |
2017-04-18, 13:49 | Link #112 |
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Another interesting episode ... so much of it felt spot on to me. I am really, really liking what I see so far! The OP and ED are only okay for me, while the BGM is excellent thus far. And yes ... this is definitely heading for painful and tragic territory it seems.
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2017-04-18, 14:33 | Link #113 |
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The ones sending them to fight aren't very smart.
They only have 4 weapons. I don't see how they can afford to blow one of them up. I would like to call out this anime and the LN it comes from for cheating though. We all know the girls fighting are dead girls walking. It's not fair to make them so goddamn adorable. It's just not fair. Why do they have to be so great? Not getting attached to them is im-freaking-possible. I CALL HAX! |
2017-04-18, 14:58 | Link #116 |
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That scene where Wilhelm was concerned over Almite bleeding, while everyone else just looked at him in confusion really sums these girls situations. They're weapons to pretty much everyone else, so there is no real point to them valuing their own lives. They are pretty much expendable.
It's a good thing that their newest care taker is someone like Wilhelm would still sees them as people and wants to them the value of life.
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That's even creepier than considering them as weapons
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