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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 162 | 45.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 8.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 8.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 42 | 11.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 1.96% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 5 | 1.40% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 10 | 2.80% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 40 | 11.20% | |
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2009-08-09, 18:38 | Link #841 | ||||
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If that's not suspension-of-disbelief-breaking stupidity, I don't know what it is. There is also the "OMG she's going out of the café, I can't even ask her if she's sure she's done all what she wants". That's the very first thing I thought about, and if I could manage it in a split second, I'm pretty sure that any person with even a two-digits QI could manage to do it during the whole next day Kyon spend worrying about the loop but not even thinking to call Haruhi. And please, no absurd rationalization "hey, they may ask but it's not shown on-screen". It's a central plot point, if it was actually done, it should have been on-screen. Quote:
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2009-08-09, 19:02 | Link #842 |
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They did ask Yuki. Having her retell what they did and did not do during all these loops won't help them since she doesn't know what Haruhi wants. It just gives them a bigger headache than they already have.
As for being stupid. It would only be stupid if there was an actual threat to their lives. There isn't. Only Yuki remembers everything and she's "observing" as programmed. Everyone else is more or less just doing it for the first time again...aside from the moments things seem familiar. Itsuki is a Yes Man, If this is Haruhi's will then he's all for it. Of course he's not going to question Haruhi. Mikuru's a mess without orders from the future and would be unwilling to take an action for fear of changing the timeline. Only Kyon has any ability to effect the situation, and frankly, he's at a loss for what to do. They find out they are in a time loop about a week into the loop because of Mikuru's inability to contact the future. That means they have a week at best to come up with something. The problem is Haruhi has the week full of activities and the main thought is that they need to finish everything in order for Haruhi to be satified. By August 30th, they are worn out and likely mentally exhausted from all the stuff they did (the scene from the first episode of them all sleeping on the train would indicate this to be true). When Haruhi crosses off the last thing and is about to leave, Kyon guesses she's not satified (or else Yuki told them about this part, but that would be the last of her knowledge since she'd not have contact with anyone on the 31st), but doesn't know what to do. He could simply call out to her ask what else she wants. She'd say she's fine and leave...nothing accomplished. In fact Kyon might even think that would cause her to make the loop in the first place. Increasing her doubt that she finished everything, but not knowing what it is she was missing out on, and thus going back again to try to find what is missing. For it is entirely possible that Haruhi doesn't know what she was missing, just that she felt like there was something left to do in the summer, but couldn't put her mind to it. Sort of like that feeling you get when you go someplace, do a lot of things, and at the end before you go home, you wonder if there was something more to do, even though you think you did everything. That feeling may be exactly what is causing Haruhi's loop. That Kyon finally came up with homework (the last thing anyone would think of really) as a solution is a 1 in a million answer it seems. That much was enough to keep her mind off of whatever it was that caused the loops...or it was exactly the homework that caused the loop in the first place...we don't know for sure. As far as I can tell, none of the characters acted stupid or out of character within any of the single episodes. Remember, to them it is as if each loop were the first loop...if Mikuru doesn't try to contact the future, they wouldn't know they are even in a time loop. Just that some things would seem familar. The only reason they know how many loops is because Yuki tell them so. Otherwise there is no reason to break the loop. No dire thing they must avoid. Just more summer activites with friends.
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2009-08-09, 19:36 | Link #843 | |
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I don't think it's ever made clear what "auto-evolution" means, except that Haruhi is the key to it. I think it's more of a matter of the DITE changing it's perception of the universe than in its ability to manipulate "data". But that's just a guess. |
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2009-08-09, 19:47 | Link #844 | |
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Pretty sure that even if something tried to kill her, it couldn't. Space would warp so that she'd avoid death. What Haruhi wants, she gets. Who wants to die? |
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2009-08-09, 20:04 | Link #847 | |
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On another board, I debated The Punisher (Frank Castle - Marvel comics) vs. Haruhi. Basically, Frank caught wind of Haruhi's crimes of blackmail, extortion, sexual harassment and trespassing, and decided that Haruhi needed to be taken out. It made for a very interesting thread, and some good back-and-forth. The eventual consensus was that Frank wouldn't get the job done... but it would be due to the SOS Brigade as a whole simply being too much for him to get by, not just Haruhi alone. But that was just the consensus - there were a lot of different opinions. Frank getting thrown in jail for trumped up charges of pedophilia was one of the funnier ones. |
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2009-08-09, 21:04 | Link #849 | |
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They didn't in the anime. We saw them sit around and do nothing again and again and again and again and again and again. I guess by a strictly litteral interpretation and a bit of bending you can say it's true. But no, Tanigawa's vision did not include an entire novel repeating the same 30 pages. It does make sense and explains why she wasn't proactive in stopping the time loop. It's not really my problem. She was still perfectly willing to share information if they would only ask, complete with very detailed statistics. In fact she told them they were in a time loop a couple hundred times, there's absolutely nothing in the anime to demonstrate she wasn't willing to transmit a message to their future selves. Have they tried something? Anything? |
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2009-08-09, 21:26 | Link #850 | |
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The second part hinges on whether you think DITE ordered Yuki to not do anything to help them or not. If they did, Yuki would have been forced to deny their request anyway. I think Yuki's "My duty is to observe." line is meant to convey this fact, in that Yuki would like to do something other than what she already is but can't because it'd be going against the will of DITE. I think Kyon realizes this and that's why he doesn't say anything more. Kyon wouldn't want to have Yuki get Ryoko'd, right?
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2009-08-09, 21:33 | Link #852 | |
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Considering how little they know about the Nature of the power involved, I doubt any at the Agency would consider eliminating Haruhi unless it looked like she was going to destroy reality.
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2009-08-09, 21:43 | Link #853 | |
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*brrrrr* Deadpool with powers like Haruhi's... makes that What If? story of the Impossible Man getting the Infinity Gauntlet seem tame by comparison... |
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2009-08-09, 21:50 | Link #855 |
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Roger Rambo, spoilers there dude.
I'm going along with the idea that if you can kill Haruhi without her knowing, she will probably die. Again, it is only Koizumi's faction that regards her as God; the other two factions don't think that highly of her. |
2009-08-09, 21:52 | Link #856 | ||
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Yuki's giving them all the info as soon as they ask. Something even Mikuru isn't allowed to do. That's not even mentioning Kyon had no problem asking Yuki how much wiggle room she has to help them, even if it's to tell her to forget about it afterwards. Remember that baseball game? Kyon just didn't try. Between that painfully convoluted justification and the much more simple "idiot ball" explanation, I'd go with the second considering that very little of your justification is explained in the show outside of a single line. Lazy writing and anime aren't exactly strangers you know. |
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2009-08-09, 21:55 | Link #857 | |
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I see no real point in making excuses for the show or it's producers as an element of defence for one's enjoyment of it. There's no real way to be objective about this as I think some have already pointed out. I think it's enough to just describe what we took from the arc good or bad and be confident enough in that as an explanation for it's existence. It should be about taking back the right to subjective opinion instead of giving it to the production side and getting caught up in what ifs and why nots. |
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2009-08-09, 22:00 | Link #858 | ||
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2009-08-09, 22:03 | Link #859 | |
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Like an off duty SAT officer just happening to be close enough to Haruhi when they try to kill her to foil the attempt... Whoops, my bad. Fixed.
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2009-08-09, 22:04 | Link #860 | |
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I think I made it abundantly clear that I found EE distatefull and a waste of time, and I got a bit lost in explaining why. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, liking that arc isn't badwrongfun. I think I'll just bow out of that forum for now, I made my point already and I have nothing to add. Have fun guys! |
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