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The thing is Kallen was 'esteemed'. Her half-blood status being classified, Milly even said she wouldn't go talking about it. Possibly because Kallen is a Stadtfeld and a half blood, or because of the political hellfire to follow if the public found out the esteemed house of Stadtfeld had a half-blood as an heir.
It all depends on the situation, Kallen is Kouzuki to the japanese, Kallen is Stadtfeld to the Britannians. This has been touched upon several times I do believe. To be more accurate about the art gallery, the artist of the cottage was 'One quarter Japanese' because of a investigation beforehand. In the manga, it's japanese artist, not just one-quarter. Take the coffee however you like, if you would. It has the same result: Japanese artist did it, ignore it. Choose a less well done painting from a noble. Britannia doesn't look up to skill, it looks up to monopolizing money and name. I can see why Kallen wanted to do something about it. |
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2010-04-09, 22:46 | Link #23004 | |
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...All right, now I'm back to the speculations. I'll just settle for believing that while Naoto was still around, and especially prior to the invasion, Kallen was mostly fine - everything else I'd really like some more information on. Maybe the light novels have a thesis that might work.
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2010-04-10, 01:08 | Link #23005 |
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In my story I written in the beginning the britannia occupation was more respectful, it becomed more heavy with the time.
Her father wanted take Kallen and his brother under his protection, but their proud won for a while. At last, when the situation was too much heavy, and Kallen had some trouble at school, His brother Naoto asked to his father to take her under the Stadfteld family, I decided to put this event when Kallen was 13. |
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As well, it was in response to the Oriental Incident that Britannia invaded. Japan wouldn't have tried something like that unless they were pretty confidant that they could force Britannia to negotiate. Quote:
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It was mentioned in one episode (I don't recall which) that the Areas are left to control themselves to a degree, as far as certain matters of government are concerned, and Kyoto was made up of Japanese industrial heads, meaning that there were still some jobs that Numbers could hold that would require education. As well, the middleschool Kallen went to was apparently enough for her to instantly realize that Milly knew she wasn't Britannian, so they did infact have schools for them. Quote:
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but his hate is reserved pretty much entirely for britannia within the show's plot
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2010-04-11, 08:20 | Link #23009 | |
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Lelouch doesn't make much of a difference between Japanese and Britannians - he just hates the Emperor, and those who abuse their power in general. Kallen, on the other hand, does make such a difference. Japan is what is most important to her, so if she'd been treated like trash by the Japanese as a child, it really should have come up somewhere. Naoto and Kallen also look very much alike, so I can't imagine that Naoto could pass as a pure Japanese while Kallen couldn't - if nothing else, people around them knew they were brother and sister. I don't think there was a single instance in the show where someone meeting the Black Knights for the first time looked at Kallen, paused and said, "A Britannian?"
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Half blood can be treated well in Britania only if they have valued skills.
I thought it was interesting how Gino said if you go with your Stadtfeld name you could have been famous and become one of the knight of rounds. So I believe half bloods in both society can be treated negatively if you do not have a special high status or any talents. Jap. will say you not really Japanese and vise versa with Brit. It was infered that Kallen will be treated negatively if the other students find out she is actually half Japanese and that is why Milly is going to keep it a secret. I would suspect being a half blood would be negative for both sides.
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Kind of like a Tales of Symphonia scenario. Both worlds, hated by both sides.
She could've become famous because she was a Stadtfeld - Implying she was Britannian, not japanese. It's political matters, obviously. Though Suzaku was made a Knight of Round, and he was a full blooded japanese. So it might be entirely possible. Nogitsune, your argument holds ground. But wouldn't Ashford students be going 'An Elven?', just like how the japanese would go "A britannian?' This is difficult, maybe she seems more japanese with her preferred hairstyle? No, that is pretty imaginative. Perhaps she puts makeup on? I wouldn't know. But both sides would be going "What the hell?' because Kallen looked like the opposing side. She is a Japanese-Britannian, so maybe it's possible it's perfectly even? It doesn't matter in the scheme of things, she was accepted by both sides with her roles. Invalid Kallen was accepted as the weak girl she portrayed herself to be, the real Kallen being accepted for being who she really is. Neither side really questioned her nationality openly. Maybe Naoto smoothed things out for her on the resistance side? That is possible, and remember when the Black Knights were formed -- They never said about it being restricted to Japanese to join their ranks. Actually, Diethard was an applicant soon after the debut. This is mere speculation, so it's groundless. |
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Of course it was entirely possible for Kallen to be part of the Round Knights, but she wouldn't because of what they do and represent. Besides she is already the Ace of the Black Knights. Yes, it is almost like the tales of symphonia senario and real life.
Remember what the black knights did in the betrayal scene though. Most of the ones doing the betraying was either full japanese or britanian. Who knows maybe sunrise could have put since you are only half what is the difference if you are bait or not. I kind of wondered how Xing-ke (sorry if I butched his name) or how the other people left out of the meeting would react.
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I suppose we can just agree to disagree at this point, but as for the lack of focus on Kallen's past, she simply wasn't focused on enough in the first season. We know that Suzaku was supposed to have a connection to Geass in the original R2 plans, but nothing was implied in the first season beyond his sensing C.C. in the Gawain at the SAZ. Thus I at least think "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is a fair arguement here. |
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Naoto could have done something similar for Kallen, but that doesn't explain why no one outside the Black Knights gave her strange looks when encountering the group, or those who joined later. Naoto and Kallen also seemed to look very much alike, so I believe it's most likely that they could both pass for either. Quote:
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Basically, she had a history with the BK and the resistance group before it. When all the top brass vouch for one of their own like a sister, a newbie would be hardpressed to call her loyalty into question without undermining their own credibility and professionalism. Quote:
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As for Lelouch and Nunally getting bullied back in Britannia, I think there was a Sound Episode that mentions they were. I at least recall some mention of Marianne using the Ganymede to chase away some people who were harassing Lelouch or Nunally from somewhere. |
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Exactly because he didn't try to get past C.C. that way, and because I don't think he'd ever have abandoned Nunnally just like that, I believe he was merely trying to get his point across. But... even here, we'll never know for sure. Quote:
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suzaku doesn't recognize a woman that never ages or changes after spending a while living with her ? not possible so its not really a theory or speculation, its just plain wrong on the other hand, "Kallen suffering racisem from other japanese people" is pretty much as likely as "Kallen suffering racisem from britannians" one of the two happened, or possible both at different times but you can't say NEITHR happened like the suzaku and C.C example
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CG is one of these cases where everyone pretty much looks the same. In S1 Kallen had no problem passing as Britannian, but then in S2 she has no problem being an Eleven bunny girl. Surely the guy in charge of the "hunt" would notice if he had a Britannian amongst the other bunny girls. Same with Lelouch when she "accidentally" bumps into him, she calls herself an Eleven but if she looked Britannian he would've been confused and perhaps called her on it.
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We went over this, me and Nogitsune.
She could pass as both without much trouble, how is the main problem -- It's nearly impossible to really know. Kallen was able to pass as a Britannian student even though she was part of the resistance, Shinchiro Tamaki probably had a few words for her when she did join if she was 'more Britannian' looking, which isn't the case. She is 'even', on my assumption - which is flawed quite obviously. How is probably what me and you want to know, Revolutionist-kun. This is difficult to discern, but my previous statements would be easier to underline the logicals. I'll do that later, since it would be best to see if people got any other kind of explanation. My guess? It's all pure speculation. Maybe they didn't think about it all that much. Regardless of either it's still there. |
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