Code Geass R2 - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Diedrupo]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

It's been speculated that Mao might've been a descendant of chinese royalty(geass being the power of the king and all).

Does Genghis Khan count as royalty? Cause he had a shitload of offspring and descendents.

He may think because of his actions that he does not deserve happiness. Or he could die at the end and that's the end of geass.

What a Bad End. I think he'll die in a more heroic manner (if he dies at all).

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

Does Genghis Khan count as royalty? Cause he had a shitload of offspring and descendents.



What a Bad End. I think he'll die in a more heroic manner (if he dies at all).

Say a heroic sacrifice(for Nunnally's sake) then thats still the end of geass(the power and the show).

[Ruvixur]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

C.C. said that the "geneaology(bloodline) of geass shall end here" therefore it is an inherited trait. If there's no one who can pass it on that's the end of it.

I said confirmed geass users. Plus do C.C. and V.V. actually give the person a geass or do they unlock the potential. If they could gave it to anyone if Lulu died she could just move on, but as it seems those with the potential don't grow on trees.

Lastly this is no different than what Suzaku did because of what happened with Euphie. Do you really think that if there were women and children OotBk members Suzaku wouldn't have butchered them like all the other ones he met in EP24+25? They both acted out of hatred and were blinded by it. They both believed the world would've been better off(without zero or geass) and were lashing out because of their pain. Both are as bad as each other.

He wants geass gone like Suzaku wants Zero gone. He may exploit Rolo until he's no more use and then make good on his promise to discard him but this is no different than Suzaku making use of Lulu to get a promotion.

Then how about Suzaku? He also have Geass potential. Does he have to die because of this? And he is blood-relative to Kaguya. I guess Kaguya also must die. And Nunally too. And all Britannia royal family. And all their illegal childrens. And everyone, who is related to Mao.

[Dream_Traveller]

For the record, quite a few members of the OotBK were women- Inoue and others. Though Suzaku was in a state of bestial rage, that didn't stop him from cutting a bloody swathe through their forces.

[EternalMelody]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

For the record, quite a few members of the OotBK were women- Inoue and others. Though Suzaku was in a state of bestial rage, that didn't stop him from cutting a bloody swathe through their forces.

Kallen is also a woman.

[Dream_Traveller]

Yes, I'm quite aware, thank you. He would have killed her, too, were it not for Zero's timely intervention.

[EternalMelody]

http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_20.html
http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_21.html

Galahad and Percival... I wonder when are these gonna show up. Even the new Guren and the new Lancelot haven't shown up yet.

[DN24]

I don't know why compare Suzaku's rampage with LL's massacre,those women Suzaku was willing and probably killed some was soldiers with guns and KM,those women LL killed was unarmed and was running or begging for their lives,plus Suzaku in his darkest mood still didn't shoot at Ashford-a school with innocent civilians-I'm not sure about LL though

[bladeofdarkness]

I don't know why compare Suzaku's rampage with LL's massacre,those women Suzaku was willing and probably killed some was soldiers with guns and KM,those women LL killed was unarmed and was running or begging for their lives,plus Suzaku in his darkest mood still didn't shoot at Ashford-a school with innocent civilians-I'm not sure about LL though

lulu attacked an enemy stronghold that was commanded by his (considering he kidnaped nanali and cost him the black rebellion) worst enemy
a cult that had already sent two assasins after him
and were actively condacting expirements on children turning them in to weapons (rolo is one such)
no matter how unarmed they were (considering the zigfried being there they could have had other weapons)
you cant really say they were civilians

[Dynastya]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

lulu attacked an enemy stronghold that was commanded by his (considering he kidnaped nanali and cost him the black rebellion) worst enemy
a cult that had already sent two assasins after him
and were actively condacting expirements on children turning them in to weapons (rolo is one such)
no matter how unarmed they were (considering the zigfried being there they could have had other weapons)
you cant really say they were civilians

face it, you're arguing with people who have never read Sun Tzu or Heinlein before. They don't understand the concept of War and only see it as senseless killing and violence.

[DN24]

I don't want to argue about LL's "campaign" against the geass cult anymore, if LL deem it was worth destroying so be it,if he wants to use it for his own gain I doubt anyone here would say he made a stupid decision to let them live..

I just want to point out that Suzaku is nowhere near ruthless as LL even in his darkest mood.

[k//eternal]

Originally Posted by Dynastya

face it, you're arguing with people who have never read Sun Tzu or Heinlein before. They don't understand the concept of War and only see it as senseless killing and violence.

Did you just imply that Heinlein and Sun Tzu are comparable?

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

lulu attacked an enemy stronghold that was commanded by his (considering he kidnaped nanali and cost him the black rebellion) worst enemy
a cult that had already sent two assasins after him
and were actively condacting expirements on children turning them in to weapons (rolo is one such)
no matter how unarmed they were (considering the zigfried being there they could have had other weapons)
you cant really say they were civilians

Does BK believe that it is an enemy stronghold? They were told that probably but they never received any resistance or fights. It was the BK killing unarmed people. A stronghold is a heavy fortified fortress. Is it a stronghold in their eyes? No.

Does the BK know about V.V.? No.
Do they think of him as a commander? Do they know his position or title? No. Is he a well known commander? No.
Does the BK know about the two assassins? No.

I agree, they may not be civilians, but does the BK believe that? No.

Originally Posted by Dynastya

face it, you're arguing with people who have never read Sun Tzu or Heinlein before. They don't understand the concept of War and only see it as senseless killing and violence.

While, I'm arguing with people that do not watch the same Code Geass anime as me. They have a different version of Code Geass where everything happens according to their imagination.

[morbosfist]

Soldiers are not made privy to all the details. They don't know better, but their commander does.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Soldiers are not made privy to all the details. They don't know better, but their commander does.

BKs are not made up of all soldiers. Some of them are civilians who joined the BKs like Kallen. Not all of them are trained to not ask questions and just follow orders. They will question their leader's actions, much like the USA, the public questions the actions of the President.

[bladeofdarkness]

well like Heinlein said in starship troopers
its not the soldiers choice werether to fight or not
you leave that to those above who are smarter and who know more then you
a soldiers job is to fight beliveing that those above send him to fight for the right reasons

and for the record
a secret underground base is a secret underground base
i would call that a stronghold
and a zigfried attack is a zigfried attack
i would call that resistance

I just want to point out that Suzaku is nowhere near ruthless as LL even in his darkest mood

LL was always the dark one
suzaku was always the one fighting for whats right and against wrongdoers (in his eyes)
the one who belived that the ends must be gaind using the right means and not the wrong ones
and thus his actions this ep (as well as earlier in the season when he tried to use nanali as a weapon against lulu) show him completely forsakeing his ideals in order to achive results
the fact that he is driven by his hate for lulu alone and not based on evidence (all the evidence say lulu is innocent (as in not guilty)doesnt help
its not about whos more ruthless (cant make an omlet without killing some people)

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzzy

BKs are not made up of all soldiers. Some of them are civilians who joined the BKs like Kallen. Not all of them are trained to not ask questions and just follow orders. They will question their leader's actions, much like the USA, the public questions the actions of the President.

How they joined does not change what they are. Even real-life soldiers can have doubts. They are not mindless drones. This does not stop them from obeying orders.

[EternalMelody]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

How they joined does not change what they are. Even real-life soldiers can have doubts. They are not mindless drones. This does not stop them from obeying orders.

Seconded. That's why there are deserters and rogue soldiers all over the world.

[lordblazer]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Well, I've never really hated Suzaku this far ( it has been more a matter of disliking his pilosphy and so on), but if he goes THIS far.. Then I'm hating him for real!

Suzaku is a self hating person who wants to be a britania and is pro status quo and thinks he can change things on the inside. People like that don't change things on the inside because they conform to what the inside is and forget about things and get caught up in unimportant issues.

[Bennyswan]

I think it was on here someone said that its becoming the opposite that its Britannia changing Suzaku, well his actions and such. Gah 4 more days... it feels like forever lol.