2009-07-14, 08:01 | Link #221 | |
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Anyways, again, when someone screaming, it will be more continuos and more discernible to pick up. God, it's not about the time of death. It's about they all can't be dead at the same time. One or more could drink 10-15 mins later than the other. And the ones who drink earlier will still die earlier. These would obviously alert those still alive and they would start screaming and run around to warn everybody in the house. To take out these moving objects with lethal rifle and shotgun with huge noise would be retardedly daring on part of the murder. |
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2009-07-14, 13:46 | Link #223 |
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After just 2 episodes, it is extremely hard to deduce really anything with the underlying factor that they may in fact be supernatural deaths; The silhouette in Rose Garden, resembled that of none of the family members; I find it hard to believe that Beatrice herself showed up to Maria and gave her an umbrella - and the only one close enough in description and availability is Natsuhi.
The butterflies to me are more like remnants of Magic, the which more then likely exists but does not have a body as such yet (epitaph)... probably possession. Maria is weird, its like she has an authentic perception for the sinister. She identifies the missing shrine (to what I don't know) and has a dark aura about her. The family members seem to either accept her beliefs or ignore them. At the dinner table when she reads the letter, she seemingly changes; almost like possession. I think she knows things and has a major role to play and one or more of the family members knows this. The shed reveal, just looking at the reactions of the siblings... Everyone genuinely was in grievance relative to their character except Battler. He lost both his parents. George was in a more general state of disbelief that his love Shannon had died. The scorpion charm given to Natsuhi from Jessica may tie into supernatural, maybe Jessica knew something? I mean it is an awfully fickle thing to randomly give to your mother so she feels better. The bloody handprints outside her door? Was this some supernatural entity trying to take her as well? Shannon was designated Guest House midnight shift, so why did she "have errands to run" in the Mansion so close to midnight. She also didn't seem to happy about the ring, almost seemed like she was unhappy that she had to do something. She could have also been going to talk to Eva and her husband about the matter :s All the people on the island have read the Epitaph at least once. I am sure that some of them thought of this as an opportunity with the family gathering. Eva and Hideyoshi seem to be the couple that would try and interpret this Epitaph logically instead of inhumanely (The seemed generally disgusted at the disfigured faces)... Eva, Hideyoshi, Gohda are really the only 3 unaccounted for the night. Shannon being in the mansion, Gohda APPARENTLY being in the mansion and the rest of the non-family members in the guest house; either sleeping or resting (Kanon was serving Genji some Tea). So of the people that died, they were ALL presumably in the mansion. Eva, Hideyoshi, Natsuhi and Kinzo were also presumably in the mansion. Their deaths were at Midnight or close to just after; and their faces were disfigured after death... shed mural discovered by Genji. It seems to me that the culprit was among the dead and something happened in which the culprit also died, perhaps backfiring? Genji perhaps did the cleanup and setup this ritual as his method of Sacrifice. Either way, the fingers point mainly at people who are already dead in my case, and I think that this will lead to one or more of the surviving people becoming the new culprit. My Theory: The person(s) I literally think is the mastermind behind this all is George and Shannon, originally. With the first twilight gone, I think people will be pointed at and this was George's plan from the start with Shannon's death to be removed from crosshairs. Shannon killed the people while George had an alibi and George finished up the rest of the job. It's quite possible he put the hand prints on Natsuhi's door or that was Shannon prior. The deaths of those people might make the interpretation of the Epitaph a reality for everyone and as such; George being extremely smart thought of this and planned ahead to leave his parents untouched so that the second twilight could be fulfilled "At the second twilight, those who remain shall tear apart the two who are close.". An interpretation of the line could mean relative to the events that took place on the previous line; to kill the two closest to you (his parents). You ask why he would kill Shannon? Well the ending of the Epitaph is the answer to that, the assurance that she would still be alive. |
2009-07-14, 14:09 | Link #224 |
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Just to point this out shortly, because I don't think this will be visited again in the anime.
Gohda was in the mansion and encountered Shannon right after she entered. He preffered to enjoy himself with his crossword puzzle and pushed the nightshift and lockup (which was originally his duty for this night) onto Shannon. He stayed behind in the servants room, while Shannon did the round for him, because she was both her usual flustered, shy self and not really in the mood to go against anything (with the proposal very probably still on her mind). |
2009-07-14, 15:23 | Link #225 | |
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Whatever the variety, rifles and shotgun are loud enough to alert an entire building. Unless you read somewhere in the game that the building is built with special material that anybody in different room cannot hear anything loud from hallway, you're just making an assumption. You're assuming way too many things regarding the tea. How can you be sure that everybody at the heated discussion would remember to drink the tea while still warm? How can you be sure that when the fatal effect happen to one, all the others will be drowsing. You're also assuming that everyone drinks tea with the same amount in a period of time. They would all drink different amount in a period of time. Someone who drinks tea more than the others in a period of time, would experience the effect much quicker. Again, you're assuming that all these people won't see nor hear anybody coming in a brightly-lit, spacious, open room. The killer can hit them at vital parts with one shot while they're moving around? This means someone must've been some expert shooter. Again this is a form of assumption to expect a murderer is there with such skills. Way too many assumptions in your post. |
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2009-07-14, 15:29 | Link #226 |
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The poison theory has a second problem. Eva and her husband were likely with the other four before they turned in, so unless the poison was served after they left, it does not hold up very well. Unless it was just drugged and not poison, then Eva and her husband turning in early means in worked faster on them (or just her and he was being polite) and they slipped out before it had a chance to work on everyone else. The drug lasted only a short time so Eva and her husband would wake up normally while the other four were killed in their sleep.
That is if you think they were drugged. They'd still need to be moved to the shed, plus the two servents need to be accounted for.
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However I have problems with the mutilation. If can think of only two rational reasons for that: either one or more of the victims are not really dead or one or more of the victims were impersonated before and someone seeing the dead bodies would recognise that fact. Of course, the irrational or occult reasons for mutilations are probably limitless... |
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2009-07-14, 17:00 | Link #228 |
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Hiding how the victims were killed and to give the impression of a ritualistic sacrafice seem to be the motive for the defacement of the six. All the more to lend cause to the "witch".
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I do give credit to the arguments against the poisoning theory tho. Everyone eats a sandwich or whatever the meal is and drinks a cup of tea at their own leisurly pace. I would down a cup of tea within a minute (depending on how hot it is) while there are many who would need at least 3 times that to drink something of that portion; it varies from person to person. So the likelihood that the severe poisoning effects are triggered at the same time is actually quite unlikely. That said even a moderate cases of poisoning is still very harsh and can render someone helpless and in desperate need of medical attention right away. It doesn't have to be a severe case of poisoning. Last edited by Karlson; 2009-07-15 at 17:01. Reason: Editing out a mistake on my part |
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Gohda was also in the mansion all night at different area of the building than the 3siblings and Kyrie. |
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The biggest reason everyone in a modern house would hear the shot would be echoing down hallways. The standard cheap interior doors used in most construction are very flimsy, and don't block sound well at all. A mansion would have more solid doors, probably hardwood, and that blocks sound much more effectively. Plus, long corridors and multiple floors make it harder for sound to echo through the halls. Quote:
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This is not a hotel where the building have to be constructed with materials that absorb noises well. Stop making these assumptions unless you've read this from the Graphic Novel. Dining habit? Did you forget the part where they meet once a year. A servant could predict Krauss', but that's assuming he would drink the same way as usual in the night when all the shocking events with Beatrice just happened while discussing with his siblings he met once a year about 10 tonnes of gold. And how would the killer predict the others who meet at the island once a year. Retarded assumption to say the least. rofl So did the meeting in episode 1 show that the siblings trust each other? Do the siblings trust the servants when they all now have a shot on getting the gold? The answer is no. The husband might trust the wife or vice versa. But it doesn't matter since the siblings do not trust each other nor the servants. With Rudolf claiming that he's about to be killed, at least him and Kyrie should be extra careful at that night. Gosh, did you bother to imagine the scenario at all? You have to shoot multiple targets without giving them time to run away and scream. You also cannot risk missing the shot because this might damage the wall, window, or the furniture, creating louder noise that will awaken the others and not to mention the killer would have to clean, replace and fix these afterward. |
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2009-07-14, 23:33 | Link #236 |
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Kinzo wouldn't settle for cheap building, so the walls are going to be thick, so it's not going to be hard to muffle out sounds. Also, everyone sleeping are on the second floor and higher, so it's not like it'd be impossible for them not to hear a scream/silenced gunshot.
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2009-07-14, 23:44 | Link #238 |
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Guys, I don't think we have to fight over how lound the gun sound could be. We don't even know that whether the gun was used in the first place. Also, we don't know the location where the victims die.
The argument is getting heat up so please cool down a bit. Being rush would really impair your judgement.
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2009-07-14, 23:52 | Link #239 |
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It is interesting to speculate how a gun could have been used in the killing in the first twilight no matter how unlikely the situation was. That would be the reason for a good debate.
However, I would have to agree with June 1983 that plzd0ntkeelme is having a "rude sound" to his posts ever since I've started reading. It would do well, to be polite to maintain a good debate. If you believe the other party is making arguments that doesn't appeal to your belief, you can always do it in a nicer way. |
2009-07-15, 00:28 | Link #240 |
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I'm just pointing the flaws in his post that can easily be identified with logic. Everything that I said is directed to the logic of his posts. I did not insult anybody. And there is no rule saying we're supposed to write beatiful posts that are pleasant to the ears.
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