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2012-09-04, 16:36 | Link #2223 | |
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Why did they want the AIs to learn to disobey? Because an AI that can't disobey won't be able to kill by their own accord, which is what they're looking for: AIs willing to kill. But like I said, such an AI would end up turning against humanity at some point, so the whole experiment is flawed.
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2012-09-04, 16:55 | Link #2224 | |
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2012-09-04, 17:07 | Link #2225 | |
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Just pointing that out. The RATH experiment probably isn't the most solid method, but if the plan is to implement AI's that are willing to fight (and potentially die) for a country, the RATH plan of creating fluctlights and training them the way you want them trained might not be a bad way to go. The fight in the hospital parking lot at the end of Ep4. It's all well and good for Kirito to be heroic in a virtual MMO (even a death game MMO), but I think it's impressive as hell that he's also willing to put it all on the line for Asuna IRL when push comes to shove. He might have been knocked around, ground into the snow, and cut up, but he stood up when he needed to stand up and fought back. |
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2012-09-04, 17:13 | Link #2226 | ||
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What they're ultimately learning from Kirito is a general free will: to think by themselves instead of obeying rules (any rule) blindly, and choose accordingly. Basically, to be humans. Quote:
So no, that whole ideal is full of holes.
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2012-09-04, 18:35 | Link #2227 | |
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And there are damned few right in a war-time situation. You can't decide "Oh, I don't want to man that wall today", "Oh, I really don't feel like flying that fighter-craft over the ocean and across enemy territory to deliver this payload". People are willing to fight and die for their country for things that have nothing to do with material gains, nor the rights afforded to them while they're doing it. They do it out of patriotic spirit, nationalism, the people they leave behind, etc. Sometimes people get conscripted and forced to fight, and they're given damn few rights beyond the promise of maybe three meals a day, and a roof over their head, and maybe if they're lucky not being killed by friendlies when they're too ill to fight. While I think it would be damned difficult to instill all that in an AI, I don't think it's entirely impossible. I'm sure with an open frame of communication, or enough lies told when they were young, you could do it. Whether or not it's actually feasible is potentially the setting of this particular storyline though... because that seems to be what the author is trying to detail in this arc. Also, why does every Sentient AI story have to be a horror story? What's to say things wouldn't work out (other than the whole "Hollywood doesn't make money on friendly sentient AI's?" |
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2012-09-04, 20:11 | Link #2230 | |
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I guess I Robot does not count?
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2012-09-04, 20:33 | Link #2231 | |
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It's not a pretty world we live in... terrible things are done to human beings and they put up with it. What makes you think AI's will magically be any different? Also, you're skirting the issue by simply repeating the same mantra, it ain't working, try something new? Ironically, domestically it barely broke even... so maybe it proves my point ^_^ (yes, yes, probably every movie ever made eventually makes a profit internationally and via DVD/BD releases) |
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2012-09-04, 20:53 | Link #2232 | |
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Oh and Budget $135 million - Box office $76,932,872
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2012-09-04, 21:03 | Link #2233 | |
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Skirting what issue? I'm just posting my opinion. You can disagree all you want.
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2012-09-04, 21:16 | Link #2234 | |
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I guess it goes like, You think it won't work because you think it won't work. I'm fairly certain it'll work for a decent chunk of time because history has proven it will, time after time. And let's be honest... governments have wasted countless billions of dollars on vastly sillier notions. It makes perfect sense to me. ah, but what were the physical media sales like? BD/DVD sales ^_^ I think it's pretty rare that movies don't eventually make their money back, long term. |
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2012-09-04, 21:23 | Link #2235 | |
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So my opinion isn't really baseless like you said.
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"Obviously there is no precise figure, but the International Labor Organization and respected abolitionists like Kevin Bales and Siddharth Kara put the global number of slaves at between 10-30 million worldwide. At a minimum, 10 million" A few more seconds listed another site from half a decade ago with a list of countries that officially permit slavery in their nations. There were a few of them. List may be shorter today, it's a rather dated article. That's at least ten million slaves... today... And I'm willing to bet they're not considering the people bound into the drug trade that are virtually slaves, but living in nations that don't tolerate slavery (didn't read the whole article, so who knows). Now out of a total world population of nearly 7 billion that's not common, but I'm willing to bet those 10 to 30 million people would feel differently. On topic, arguing that governments wouldn't waste money on things related to weapon's development is a fool's gambit. You'll almost always be proven wrong. But we're veering wildly off topic so we should carry on with more on-topic conversations... You know, talking about the novels ^_^ But I'm winning~ Last edited by Adigard; 2012-09-04 at 21:59. |
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That you think you can win a discussion like this says a lot.
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Vol. 10 isn't the last one. We expect it to go up to around Vol. 12 - 14. As for the debate about AI's...there is a thread for that you know? I've been trying to get this conversation about AI's rights and all that good stuff, yet everyone seems to ignore it.
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2012-09-05, 00:51 | Link #2240 |
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This chapter 2 has more than enough material to cover more than half the debates on SAO...
And to recap what I told Netto, Accel World 12's afterwords confirmed that SAO volume 11 will be out in late Winter (I'm expecting February 10th)
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