Fate/strange Fake (Light Novel)

[Nayim]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I am pretty sure apocrypha and extra exist in different continuity from main fate (and from each other) how the hell did Narita managed connect them together?!

Anyway what is relations between fake gw and "true" servants? And how the hell could archer make Gil run for his money? And what crazy and extravagant characters we can expect?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Saber has connection with Archer Extra (The green one) due to his identity.

Jeanne d'Arc had been mentioned by a gothic girl named Francesca. She says if Jeanne will make an appearance and summoned as a Ruler servant, she will destroy and torture her.

Fate/Apocrypha shares Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero universe due to same magecraft, no technology magic like Fate/Extra universe except different timeline. Now Fate/Strange Fake had connection with the series.

If you read comic chapter 2 again where Faldeus says "You can't summon Saber because this is fake grail and no perfect copy of Holy Grail". So the fake servants are fake because they have been summoned in wrong time and wrong place hence every masters and servants have been participated the fake grail. While True servants have been participated the real holy grail. Saber is one of them

As for True Archer, I don't know about him but everyone says his identity is could be Gilgamesh's arch enemies, families, masters or others. Here the picture if anyone curious to know what he looks like:

Spoiler for True Archer:

[Rising Dragon]

That outfit doesn't look like it'd help with archery or marksmanship.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Nayim

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Saber has connection with Archer Extra (The green one) due to his identity.

Jeanne d'Arc had been mentioned by a gothic girl named Francesca. She says if Jeanne will make an appearance and summoned as a Ruler servant, she will destroy and torture her.

Fate/Apocrypha shares Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero universe due to same magecraft, no technology magic like Fate/Extra universe except different timeline. Now Fate/Strange Fake had connection with the series.

If you read comic chapter 2 again where Faldeus says "You can't summon Saber because this is fake grail and no perfect copy of Holy Grail". So the fake servants are fake because they have been summoned in wrong time and wrong place hence every masters and servants have been participated the fake grail. While True servants have been participated the real holy grail. Saber is one of them

As for True Archer, I don't know about him but everyone says his identity is could be Gilgamesh's arch enemies, families, masters or others. Here the picture if anyone curious to know what he looks like:

Spoiler for True Archer:

Ok, if you allow me one last question (for now), or more likely rephrase my previous one:

Spoiler:

Why and how true servants joined fake war? Only possibility I can see that happen would be Weaver reassemble GG in Fuyuki, summon 7 servants and send them against black fake faction somehow

[Nayim]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Ok, if you allow me one last question (for now), or more likely rephrase my previous one:

Spoiler:

Why and how true servants joined fake war? Only possibility I can see that happen would be Weaver reassemble GG in Fuyuki, summon 7 servants and send them against black fake faction somehow

I haven't read it yet, but I heard the spoiler mentions:

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Someone brings the real holy grail and summons it in USA. Faldeus is now a new master and contracts with True Assassin.

Suprisingly, we haven't see the real big bad of the series yet.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Nayim

As for True Archer, I don't know about him but everyone says his identity is could be Gilgamesh's arch enemies, families, masters or others. Here the picture if anyone curious to know what he looks like:

Spoiler for True Archer:

I can't be the only one who looks at that pic and immediately starts thinking hoping Heracles...

Don't know what's up with the cloth covering his face, though... And that particularly shaped scar on his chest has to have some meaning...

[Tenzen12]

'I too thought about Heracles (though I doubt it's him). As berserker he make king if heroes piss his golden pants, and as archer he would be in his best form. Anyway no metter who he is he is already my favorite "true" servant.

Originally Posted by Nayim

I haven't read it yet, but I heard the spoiler mentions:

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Someone brings the real holy grail and summons it in USA. Faldeus is now a new master and contracts with True Assassin.

Suprisingly, we haven't see the real big bad of the series yet.

Thanks for interesting spoilers.

[Tenzen12]

Sorry for doublepost, but I am around 90% percent sure I know true Archer identity. It's Nimrod, "First heroic warrior on earth", "Mighty hunter before the Lord", founder of Uruk and builder of Tower of Babel (which is obviously Gils storehouse)

Also according the Arabic work Kitab all Magall Nimrod saw in the sky piece of black cloth and a crown and asked certain weaver.to make copy if it and weared it afterward.

I belive there Is no way it's not him.

[belatkuro]

Then work out True Rider's identity as TR is pretty interested in True Archer.

Spoiler for True Rider's first appearance:

True Rider barges in the fight between Gil and True Archer and punches True Archer that sent him far away. True Rider says to Gil that he(True Archer) is True Rider's prey. True Rider also has the same cloth as True Archer's(at least according to Tine, it has the same pattern and aura in it) in her arm. TR is a female btw. She's described to have her hair tied in a bun like Saber but it's not a Saber clone according to Narita. There's a reason for that hairstyle somehow.

[Shyni]

This is getting so crazy.

[Nayim]

Btw, all fake servants identity has been revealed even though there are no official word about them but the story already reveals their identity:

Spoiler for Fake servants:

Archer: Gilgamesh
Lancer: Enkidu
Rider: Pale Rider
Berserker: Jack The Ripper
Caster: Alexandre Dumas, has been revealed when shows flashback he and Nodier talk about play performance and discuss about Dead Apostle.
Assassin: No Name. You can call her Zealot if you want because she had no name and actual official nickname at all.

Spoiler for True servants:

Saber: King Richard I
Archer: ???
Lancer: ???
Rider: ???
Berserker: ???
Caster: ???
Assassin: Hassan-I-Sabbah

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by belatkuro

Then work out True Rider's identity as TR is pretty interested in True Archer.

Spoiler for True Rider's first appearance:

True Rider barges in the fight between Gil and True Archer and punches True Archer that sent him far away. True Rider says to Gil that he(True Archer) is True Rider's prey. True Rider also has the same cloth as True Archer's(at least according to Tine, it has the same pattern and aura in it) in her arm. TR is a female btw. She's described to have her hair tied in a bun like Saber but it's not a Saber clone according to Narita. There's a reason for that hairstyle somehow.

Either genderbended Jacob or Esau (especially Jakob is strong enough to "wrestle God), though it was Esau who had feud with Nimrod anyway both of them had samecloth as Nimrod at some point

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Either genderbended Jacob or Esau (especially Jakob is strong enough to "wrestle God), though it was Esau who had feud with Nimrod anyway both of them had samecloth as Nimrod at some ppoint

While I can certainly see Nimrod as an Archer (or even a Saber), why would Jacob or Esau, genderbent or not, be a Rider?

Honestly, while there are potential allusions, I'm not sold on True Archer being Nimrod in the first place. Though I would not at all be surprised to find that both he and True Rider are figures from the Bible. It would certainly explain them being stronger than Gilgamesh, given America's Judeo-Christian heritage.

(For those who don't know, the fame—or infamy—of the Heroic Spirit in the location of the Grail War has an effect on how powerful they are. This was why the Yggdmillennias chose Transylvania as the site for the rogue HGW in Fate/Apocrypha, since they knew they would be summoning Vlad III, "The Impaler".)

[Shyni]

Originally Posted by Nayim

Btw, all fake servants identity has been revealed even though there are no official word about them but the story already reveals their identity:

Spoiler for Fake servants:

Archer: Gilgamesh
Lancer: Enkidu
Rider: Pale Rider
Berserker: Jack The Ripper
Caster: Alexandre Dumas, has been revealed when shows flashback he and Nodier talk about play performance and discuss about Dead Apostle.
Assassin: No Name. You can call her Zealot if you want because she had no name and actual official nickname at all.

Spoiler for Fake Rider:

Wait, Pale Rider? Wouldn't that make him Horseman of Death instead of plague?

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Shyni

Spoiler for Fake Rider:

Wait, Pale Rider? Wouldn't that make him Horseman of Death instead of plague?

Six of one...

[Nayim]

Originally Posted by Shyni

Spoiler for Fake Rider:

Wait, Pale Rider? Wouldn't that make him Horseman of Death instead of plague?

Spoiler for Fake Rider:

Novel vol.1 confirms he is Pale Rider. I think this Pale Rider has multiple power from four horsemen.

Yet, we don't see Pale Rider ride a horse

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

While I can certainly see Nimrod as an Archer (or even a Saber), why would Jacob or Esau, genderbent or not, be a Rider?

Honestly, while there are potential allusions, I'm not sold on True Archer being Nimrod in the first place. Though I would not at all be surprised to find that both he and True Rider are figures from the Bible. It would certainly explain them being stronger than Gilgamesh, given America's Judeo-Christian heritage.

(For those who don't know, the fame—or infamy—of the Heroic Spirit in the location of the Grail War has an effect on how powerful they are. This was why the Yggdmillennias chose Transylvania as the site for the rogue HGW in Fate/Apocrypha, since they knew they would be summoning Vlad III, "The Impaler".)

Did you know that Esau was associated with both fourth (Red) rider of apocalypse and origin of Herculean legend? I didn't until now lol. Well he is. He also is Guy who was obsessed with defeating Nimrod and attacked him (and killed) without any introduction or challenge to get fame, personality fits and if Esau happened to be girl it would explain nicely why younger Jacob got right of firstborn son...

So yeah after further research I am conviced it's Esau.

That said, I don't think territory boost stats work that way.

[belatkuro]

Fake Rider is Pestilence. Diseases can ride on water, wind, animals and people. It's a vague thing but that's what made him into the Rider class. Also, it's a very bizarre Servant that hardly even qualifies as a Heroic Spirit.

It stands to reason that normal Grail War rules won't necessarily apply in here given how the Masters were selected and how weird the Servants are. Given that the Fake Servants already lost the Saber class and that there are a new set of True Servants, that already gives away how different this war is from the HGW in Apocrypha and Stay Night.

[Tenzen12]

Apparently Richard is considered to be last of "fake" servants, instead of first of true ones. Though it's something Faldeus arbitrary shoehorn on him so his people can summon another saber

[belatkuro]

A scan from TM Ace 10 of True Archer

Spoiler for pic:

Reposting from BL about contents of volume 3:

Spoiler for SF3:

>Anyway, we're getting a third protagonist in the third volume according to Narita.
>One of Faldeus' men apparently.
>Zelretch can't directly act in Strange Fake since him acting will make the world line definite, but Narita is strongly hinting that Alcatraz will, and he's very connected to what Franceska's true identity is.
>Some revelations on what was meant about Gilgamesh and Enkidu's "monster hunting" quote that was mentioned in one of the previews.
>Gilgamesh being confirmed by Narita as having Clairvoyance like Merlin so so it seems like he can use it to see other parallel worlds, but it looks like the Throne of Heroes adjusts his memory and knowledge according to what world he's summoned in so he doesn't get confused.
>Also seems to be some other hints about what the workings of the Greater Grail are actually based on from the thing I just mentioned.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by belatkuro

Reposting from BL about contents of volume 3:

Spoiler for SF3:

>Anyway, we're getting a third protagonist in the third volume according to Narita.
>One of Faldeus' men apparently.
>Zelretch can't directly act in Strange Fake since him acting will make the world line definite, but Narita is strongly hinting that Alcatraz will, and he's very connected to what Franceska's true identity is.
>Some revelations on what was meant about Gilgamesh and Enkidu's "monster hunting" quote that was mentioned in one of the previews.
>Gilgamesh being confirmed by Narita as having Clairvoyance like Merlin so so it seems like he can use it to see other parallel worlds, but it looks like the Throne of Heroes adjusts his memory and knowledge according to what world he's summoned in so he doesn't get confused.
>Also seems to be some other hints about what the workings of the Greater Grail are actually based on from the thing I just mentioned.

I've already been curious as to where in the cosmology of the Nasuverse this series fits, since it is compatible with occurring in the prime Fateverse (well, one of them), some time after 5GW, but this makes me wonder if it has some ties to Tsukihime, as well...