The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 1]

[MeoTwister5]

I was going and looking around and the internet is exploding all over the place.

Jeebus Christ.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by BookOfMages

Well he DID say "I haven't met one of those yet" so if it did have an affect on Haruhi. When she first showed up and said her first quote, she might've not included Sliders since no one gave the possibility of their existence. However, it doesn't mean she doesn't believe in them, it probably just means she needs to hear more about them from a certain John Smith.

She DID mention sliders in her first quote, actually.

Originally Posted by C.A.

Haruhi very likely followed everything of Kyon, even taking note of the school he came from, so that she could go to the school in hope of meeting him or the supernatural.

John. Not Kyon. John.

Originally Posted by teelotes

Actually,

Spoiler for Species:

I would want to know what is a slider.

A slider is someone with the ability to cross dimensions. The actual word used is "isekaijin", which means something like "person from another world".

Practically all English-language versions use "slider" simply because it's an easy-to-say word and is also a reference to a 90's TV show.

Originally Posted by teelotes

How's that different from a time traveller?

A time traveler is from a different time. A slider is from a different UNIVERSE altogether.

Remember that time is completely linear in Haruhi, as well.

[Game8910]

well in a way

Spoiler for Kyon:

Kyon is already the slider because he did travel between "worlds" on novel 4

[teelotes]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

A slider is someone with the ability to cross dimensions. The actual word used is "isekaijin", which means something like "person from another world".

Practically all English-language versions use "slider" simply because it's an easy-to-say word and is also a reference to a 90's TV show.



A time traveler is from a different time. A slider is from a different UNIVERSE altogether.

Remember that time is completely linear in Haruhi, as well.

I don't get the part where you say time is completely linear. Does that mean when they time travel, they always stay in the same time plane? From what I understand, most time travel would throw you into an alternative universe, rather than the one you're in.

[Ashlotte]

Originally Posted by teelotes

It's interesting how

Spoiler for Kyon:

Kyon comments that the King is not important, when he doesn't realise who's the King.

How's that different from a time traveller?

Think of sliders as traversing a horizontal axis while time travelers are on the lateral. Basically Time travel entails moving backwards and forwards along a single rail while sliders move across one into differentt worlds, but not different times.

Atleast thats how I see it.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

A time traveler is from a different time. A slider is from a different UNIVERSE altogether.

Remember that time is completely linear in Haruhi, as well.

Since you're correcting me on John Smith, I'll correct you on parallel universes.

And a full page on time travel in Haruhi.

[Rice_slayer]

Slider may occur later on in the story, will say no more to avoid non-novel readers. I watched the episode. Art style is defiantly different(I have been re-watching the series at school when Im bored) and it seems more moe-induced style. I was hoping for a more Kanon/Clannad art style but it's a mix of that and K-On! art. Story was good, I heard the name John Smith and that brought memories back. Adult Mikuru will be seen again soon :P. I give it a 10/10, mainly because we FINALLY get a new ep and it was done good. There really was an OP, so Im about 80% sure we WILL get a new OP when disappearance airs. New ED is pretty good .

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by teelotes

Actually,

Spoiler for Species:

I would want to know what is a slider.

Spoiler for SLIDERS, ANSWERS.:

Anyway, the new ED is grood. I like the epilepsy part.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Game8910

well in a way

Spoiler for Kyon:

Kyon is already the slider because he did travel between "worlds" on novel 4

Same basic universe. Different versions. A bit different.

Besides

Spoiler for sliders:

Vol. 9 contains what is probably a slider. Probably.

Originally Posted by teelotes

I don't get the part where you say time is completely linear. Does that mean when they time travel, they always stay in the same time plane? From what I understand, most time travel would throw you into an alternative universe, rather than the one you're in.

Not in Haruhi.

Time is unchangeable and perfectly linear. Time travel does not throw you into an alternate universe.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by teelotes

I don't get the part where you say time is completely linear. Does that mean when they time travel, they always stay in the same time plane? From what I understand, most time travel would throw you into an alternative universe, rather than the one you're in.

I mean what he means is that in the Haruhi universe, time is linear.

[Solachinx]

Originally Posted by Game8910

well in a way

Spoiler for Kyon:

Kyon is already the slider because he did travel between "worlds" on novel 4

And, if you want to get technical, in Melancholy when he was trapped in that Closed Space with Haruhi.

[Game8910]

Originally Posted by Ashlotte

Think of sliders as traversing a horizontal axis while time travelers are on the lateral. Basically Time travel entails moving backwards and forwards along a single rail while sliders move across one into differentt worlds, but not different times.

Atleast thats how I see it.

yes but what im saying is

Spoiler for explanation?:

Nagato pretty much changed the world on novel 4, and Kyon travalled to turned it back....meh sliders are complicated D;

[Game8910]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Besides

Spoiler for sliders:

Vol. 9 contains what is probably a slider. Probably.

now that you mention it....maybe

Spoiler for novel 10?:

After seeing how novel 9 branches into 2 scenarios maybe the slider (Kyon?) will have to cross that dimension into the other one to fix something that might happen D: gah this story is a mindfuck

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Ashlotte

Think of sliders as traversing a horizontal axis while time travelers are on the lateral. Basically Time travel entails moving backwards and forwards along a single rail while sliders move across one into differentt worlds, but not different times.

Atleast thats how I see it.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Game8910

yes but what im saying is

Spoiler for explanation?:

Nagato pretty much changed the world on novel 4, and Kyon travalled to turned it back....meh sliders are complicated D;

Sliders ORIGINATE from another universe. Kyon isn't technically a slider. That was pure time travel.

Originally Posted by Game8910

now that you mention it....maybe

Spoiler for novel 10?:

After seeing how novel 9 branches into 2 scenarios maybe the slider (Kyon?) will have to cross that dimension into the other one to fix something that might happen D: gah this story is a mindfuck

Spoiler for novel 9:

That girl who called Kyon on the phone, cutting of Sasaki in the Alphaverse? She's very probably the slider, seeing that she also shows up to the Brigade recruitment meeting later on.

[teelotes]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Since you're correcting me on John Smith, I'll correct you on parallel universes.

And a full page on time travel in Haruhi.

Quantization of energy has been observed by experiment, but quantization of time is just a hypothesis, like the multiverse. That's quite a daring conclusion you're making there from theory to hypothesis, any physicist might point out.

Still, it brings some order to the discussion we're having on time travel. So regarding dimensions and universes, how do they relate to sliders and time travellers? Who does what?

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by teelotes

It's interesting how

Spoiler for Kyon:

Kyon comments that the King is not important, when he doesn't realise who's the King.

How's that different from a time traveller?

Not much really... a slider slides *across* the multiverse of possibilities. A time traveler slides *through* time (but simply by existing in a time the traveler variates/branches that universe so there's still some "sliding").

To some extent the two sci-fi memes don't mesh well.

[Skullator]

Wow DB picked this up, unexpected.

[yezhanquan]

But, if the Haruhi universe has time in a linear fashion, how does one resolve the classic time paradox of going back in time to kill your father?

[MeoTwister5]

I heard /a/ just got destroyed.

[teelotes]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Spoiler for SLIDERS, ANSWERS.:

Anyway, the new ED is grood. I like the epilepsy part.

Oh, that does ring a bell.

But what about John Smith?