The Iran/Iraq situation.

[Psyco Diver]

Originally Posted by James Rye

Not yet a war, given nobody died this was very moderate from the Iranians. Question is how Trump will react to that because his voter base doesn't want a war and he knows it.

Some people died this morning, supposedly Iran shot down a passenger plane coming from Ukraine, good way to piss the Russians off

[The Green One]

Originally Posted by James Rye

Not yet a war, given nobody died this was very moderate from the Iranians. Question is how Trump will react to that because his voter base doesn't want a war and he knows it.

Considering the events of these last three years do YOU trust Trump's impulse control? You've seen how he's acted in the past in situations where not responding makes him look "weak".

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by Psyco Diver

Some people died this morning, supposedly Iran shot down a passenger plane coming from Ukraine, good way to piss the Russians off

This is a matter of considerable controversy. Originally the Ukrainians blamed engine trouble but have since walked that back. "Supposedly," or better "perhaps," is the operative word here until we get the results of an investigation.

Asked at a briefing in Kyiv if the plane could have been downed by a missile, Ukraine's Prime Minister Oleksiy Honcharuk refused to rule it out, but cautioned against speculation until the investigation concluded.

Initially, Ukraine's embassy in Iran said on Wednesday morning that engine failure caused the plane to crash and denied that it was terror-related or that a rocket had hit the aircraft.

But it later withdrew this statement, saying that anything was possible, and Mr Zelensky instructed Ukraine's prosecutors to open criminal proceedings over the crash.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ne-boeing-737/

[Psyco Diver]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

This is a matter of considerable controversy. Originally the Ukrainians blamed engine trouble but have since walked that back. "Supposedly," or better "perhaps," is the operative word here until we get the results of an investigation.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ne-boeing-737/

https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-sh...ources-1481313

Well that's not good, they can call mistake but the fact Iran tried covering it up isn't helping

[Toukairin]

Originally Posted by Psyco Diver

https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-sh...ources-1481313

Well that's not good, they can call mistake but the fact Iran tried covering it up isn't helping

Similar kind of crap we have seen in Crimea a few years ago when the Malaysian Airlines plane was shot down.

Speaking as a Canadian who has no interest in seeing a war break out in the region, I have to say that the Iranian government are behaving like fucking idiots in that situation. Considering that the vast majority of the people on the plane were either full Iranian citizens or foreign nationals with Iranian roots, any attempt to cover things up is a massive disservice to their own citizens.

[Psyco Diver]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

Similar kind of crap we have seen in Crimea a few years ago when the Malaysian Airlines plane was shot down.

Speaking as a Canadian who has no interest in seeing a war break out in the region, I have to say that the Iranian government are behaving like fucking idiots in that situation. Considering that the vast majority of the people on the plane were either full Iranian citizens or foreign nationals with Iranian roots, any attempt to cover things up is a massive disservice to their own citizens.

Thats what corrupt governments tend to do, I love my country (USA) but I don't doubt for 1 second if we shot down a passenger jet they would cover it up

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Psyco Diver

Thats what corrupt governments tend to do, I love my country (USA) but I don't doubt for 1 second if we shot down a passenger jet they would cover it up

There was that airplane crash around the time of the Atlanta Olympic game than was rumored for a long time to had been shot down and the ''official'' explication given didn't convince many ( not than that would be proof or not).

In another hand, there was also the incident with the USS Vincennces during the Iran-Iraq war.

[erneiz_hyde]

That's what governments do period. At least I'm not aware of any country that would behave otherwise.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Now western intel is saying the plane's engine overheated

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9276141.html



Might have been a botched pre-flight check if they were rushing to escape the place, who knows. OTOH there are the supposed pics of that Tor-M1 seeker head at the crash site so...



EDIT: Looks like it's really an itchy fingered SAM operator. https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivil...nian_airliner/ =/

[AnimeFan188]

DOJ charged an Iranian operative with hiring Hells
Angels bikers for assassinations in the US

"An Iranian drug trafficker with ties to its spy agency has been
charged by the US Department of Justice with hiring members
of the Hells Angels biker group to carry out an assassination on
American soil."

See:

https://www.businessinsider.com/iran...-us-doj-2024-1