Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[monster]

Originally Posted by Znozzy

Well, Kira was stationed at the Eternal with the tri-stars who all wore Zaft uniforms, on a Zaft ship. The Eternal docked at PLANT, if Kira was the only one who didnt have a uniform on, he would be in pretty bad trouble. As i said earlier, odds are Kira is the Eternal's Mobile suit team captain. IF Lacus was the chairman, he could simply have been a FAITH member, no questions asked, Like Athrun was during Destiny.

The Eternal stopped being a ZAFT ship when Lacus stole it. If the Eternal rejoined ZAFT, and Kira is officially stationed on the Eternal, then he has joined ZAFT.

And oh, Athrun also joined ZAFT during Destiny.

So yeah, that's what I've been saying and what the ending shows us.

Not going to deny there would be a difference, but we don't know if Lacus is just having a meeting with the high council, or if she is being crowned into the chairman, we don't know why she went there and we dont know what happens after it cuts to black.

No, we don't. But this is fiction, not real life. Given that, the obvious conclusion is that the PLANTs asked her to take some role in the PLANTs, not necessarily as the chairman or even part of the council, but something important enough that she is escorted by soldiers bowing to her in ceremony to the council chamber.

Either way, whatever it was, it was permanent enough to get the Eternal to rejoin ZAFT and Kira along with it.

But the AA crew and Kira was already a independant part of the Orb military.

If the assassins didn't go after Lacus, we don't know what would've happened, odds are he would've joined the fight either way when Zaft later attacks Logos, Odds are he still would've kidnapped Cagalli to prevent the wedding.

Not really. Lacus wasn't thrilled at having Kira pilot again and the only reason Andrew even suggested it was because their lives were in danger. So odds are Kira post SEED would not have willingly go into battle if he wasn't already forced into the mobile suit.

well, if things didn't play out the way it did in the show, it wouldnt be the same show now would it?

Sure, but we're talking about the character here. My point is that the Archangel and the Freedom being stored isn't the kind of readiness that Kira told Durandal.

[Znozzy]

Originally Posted by monster

The Eternal stopped being a ZAFT ship when Lacus stole it. If the Eternal rejoined ZAFT, and Kira is officially stationed on the Eternal, then he has joined ZAFT.

Yes, and it's safe to assume it rejoined Zaft's armed forces when Lacus was pardoned at the end of Destiny, seeing how the Dom-trio and Kira sport Zaft uniforms.

And oh, Athrun also joined ZAFT during Destiny.

Yeah, but Athrun has a habit of well, switch sides, you know. Zaft > Orb > Zaft > Orb.

So yeah, that's what I've been saying and what the ending shows us. No, we don't. But this is fiction, not real life. Given that, the obvious conclusion is that the PLANTs asked her to take some role in the PLANTs, not necessarily as the chairman or even part of the council, but something important enough that she is escorted by soldiers bowing to her in ceremony to the council chamber.

Indeed.

Either way, whatever it was, it was permanent enough to get the Eternal to rejoin ZAFT and Kira along with it. Not really. Lacus wasn't thrilled at having Kira pilot again and the only reason Andrew even suggested it was because their lives were in danger. So odds are Kira post SEED would not have willingly go into battle if he wasn't already forced into the mobile suit. Sure, but we're talking about the character here. My point is that the Archangel and the Freedom being stored isn't the kind of readiness that Kira told Durandal.

Of course Lacus wasnt thrilled to have Kira fight again, it's her boyfriend-o.

Kira didn't want to kill people, but he was ready to do it again, even though he didn't want to, he will fight, thats the entire point of SEED post episode 10/11.

That's why he got into the Freedom again in Destiny, to protect his close ones, the same reason he got into the Strike back in SEED when he had a free-ticket off the AA.

Also, i'm not going to run off and speculate on " What if " scenarios, there is no point.

[Aquaman OS]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

It's been put forward by some theorists that Durandal guided Cagalli into Shinn's vicinity so he could use Shinn's hostility towards ORB and Attha against Cagalli. While he might not be manipulating Shinn directly there, if such is true then he was definitely using Shinn towards his own ends.

This is true. He basically deliberately guides her to within earshot of Shinn and then starts talking about power in a way that almost anyone remotely familar with Cagalli could tell would prompt an "The Uzumi way!" rant from her. Sure enough Shinn does and she starts her usual "OMG somebody doesn't like the Orb/Uzumi way!" breakdown she'll have frequently.

Note that later on when Minerva was going into battle Durandal wanted to take Cagalli back to Plant with him but she opted to say on Minerva and risk getting killed instead. If he'd done this she would have been stuck there for awhile with Durandal and would have gotten a front row seat into the EA attack on Plant, probably with Durandal giving manipulative speeches the whole way. And if that happened he might have managed to sway Cagalli to Zaft's side.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Znozzy

Kira didn't want to kill people, but he was ready to do it again, even though he didn't want to, he will fight, thats the entire point of SEED post episode 10/11.

That's something Kira has been willing to do since the second episode of SEED.

I'm talking about willingly staying with the military during peacetime, which you just agreed that he did, and that's something that's only shown at the end SE IV.

And regardless of whether or not Kira was willing to fight, it's different from actually deciding that military life is the path for him, and that's something that has changed for Kira in Destiny.

[weirdguy]

I, for one, find these speculations somewhat absurb.
But be shouldn't be surprised considering how manipulative Durandal is.

[Shadow Angel]

Eppy 49 of Destiny is up.

[Skye629]

While all still frame repeats, IMO they smoothed out the fight quite a bit, though the end results are the same

And they ended the Athrun/Shinn fight with the start of the ending music and a new animation of the Justice splitting its double beam saber/saber staff, and sheathing them like a badass before flying away

One more episode for the final plus ending

[n0m@n]

I loved IJ's new scene at the end.
Shinn also has a new line.
I actually hope, there is a significant change at the end...

[IceHism]

I was watching the battle and i ain't even mad.

Though they seriously dumbed down Kira and Athrun for like 95% of the fight..... I don't even know how they are even surviving while being distracted. Then they do some fancy moves and defeat legend and destiny in like two hits respectively. Athrun sheathing was awesome though.

Anyways, i hope that they will announce a final gundam seed sequel soon. Not sure how the story is gonna be like but i want more kira+athrun+lacus+Cagali+shinn :/

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by IceHism

I was watching the battle and i ain't even mad.

Though they seriously dumbed down Kira and Athrun for like 95% of the fight..... I don't even know how they are even surviving while being distracted. Then they do some fancy moves and defeat legend and destiny in like two hits respectively. Athrun sheathing was awesome though.

Anyways, i hope that they will announce a final gundam seed sequel soon. Not sure how the story is gonna be like but i want more kira+athrun+lacus+Cagali+shinn :/

But would it still be the "Flawless Victory" curbstomping?

Going by Fukuda's track record, I'm guessing that it'll be the same, because should Kira actually take damage during the fight... a Time Paradox happens!

[Aquaman OS]

They added the brief skirmishes in the new OP (significantly slowed down) and I think that's it other than Athrun's brief sheathing of his weapons.

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

But would it still be the "Flawless Victory" curbstomping?

Going by Fukuda's track record, I'm guessing that it'll be the same, because should Kira actually take damage during the fight... a Time Paradox happens!

I don't see how it would be a flawless victory. Destiny and Legend distracted Kira and Athrun for quite the while and that was really just their job i think because this show already establishes that no one can beat athrun and kira together. . Though it's not mentioned if Orb/Clyne has any time stop magic that delays the recharging of genesis and requiem that we haven't considered yet.



I don't know if it is just me but is lacus seed mode a different color in seed destiny and seed? It's like grey in destiny and blue in seed

[monster]

This was a more enjoyable episode than even I thought it'd be as I underestimated Final Plus's length. I'm looking forward to next week's.

Originally Posted by IceHism

I don't know if it is just me but is lacus seed mode a different color in seed destiny and seed? It's like grey in destiny and blue in seed

Yeah, it was changed for some reason.

More pics of the SEED:RE manga from Mecha Talk:

Originally Posted by balofo

Actually all ZAFT stolen Gundams get an upgrade:
-Duel: DINN? flight pack and IWSP like shoulder cannons and sword
-Buster: GOOhN? like submarine pach with additional missiles
-Blitz: large claw and flight pack

http://i.imgur.com/D0VwBFd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uYh8j8H.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/iS9JMgV.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/0B3VdiH.jpg

[Blazer-X]

Originally Posted by monster

This was a more enjoyable episode than even I thought it'd be as I underestimated Final Plus's length. I'm looking forward to next week's. Yeah, it was changed for some reason.

More pics of the SEED:RE manga from Mecha Talk:

HOLY CRAP! THOSE LOOK AWESOME! Any chance for lineart releases?

Speaking of the episode:

Interesting cuts here and there. The opening stuff being mixed in is both good and bad. The Strike Freedom vs Legend looks completely out of place, especially when you consider that Legend ALREADY deployed its Dragoons a second ago. They should have just replaced the whole Legend deploying part if they were going to use the new footage or move it to later when Legend starts chasing Archangel because in that scene, Strike Freedom does deploy first to stop the Legend.

The Akatsuki cut-in was okay, but like Strike Freedom vs Legend, really lack the background explosions. Of the three, Destiny vs Infinite Justice was the best one, because it actually flows really well with the rest of their battle. The reason? Because they actually replaced the older blade-lock scene with it, instead of trying to cram it into the middle of other scenes, where it obviously doesn't fit.

That aside, there wasn't all that much new things to this battle. I thought they already reanimated it pretty well in the Final Plus edition, so its nice they decided to use that over the Special Edition shortened version. That said, having already watched it so many times when Final Plus came out, it comes just a little bland this time around.

One more episode to go. May we please see some new ending moving towards a movie?

[monster]

Originally Posted by Blazer-X

Any chance for lineart releases?

I'm not sure. You can ask balofo at Mecha Talk since I believe you're a member there.

Also, as much as I would want one, there has not even a hint that there will be a movie or any kind of sequel. Either way, a new ending would most likely be limited to the voice recording they already have. (Then again, a sequel could lead to new recording, but there is no news on that, so...)

[Znozzy]

Originally Posted by monster

I'm not sure. You can ask balofo at Mecha Talk since I believe you're a member there.

Also, as much as I would want one, there has not even a hint that there will be a movie or any kind of sequel. Either way, a new ending would most likely be limited to the voice recording they already have. (Then again, a sequel could lead to new recording, but there is no news on that, so...)

Or something along the lines of the SE editions with just new footage and no VA's, then drop a hint towards a movie, like the 5 things around Jupiter in 00.

[weirdguy]

I just find it funny how many people were hoping this would be the end of the remaster just to find out there will be one more episode.

[G147]

Actually i think it is already expected that there to be one more episode.

[Aquaman OS]

Actually we were expecting them to just do a longer final episode ala final plus.

Cutting it in half, and giving us two "new" episodes was not expected at all.

[Blazer-X]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Actually we were expecting them to just do a longer final episode ala final plus.

Cutting it in half, and giving us two "new" episodes was not expected at all.

I think most of us were on the edge on how they were cramming Final Plus in. As of the preview from the last episode, it was clear to me that they were going to split it into two episodes, although interpretations probably differ between different people. Just where they would cut between the two episodes was not clear. I had been expecting them to cut at the Legend destruction, since there was a pause there in the Final Plus, but the way they actually cut at Destiny's destruction was actually pretty well done.