2012-12-18, 19:26 | Link #283 |
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I think it's important to remember that "good, quality posts" is at least somewhat subjective. People can disagree on what constitutes "good, quality posts".
I'll freely admit I posrepped some fairly controversial posts. But in my view, an atypical viewpoint, even if a bit more strongly worded than what's ideal, can add a lot to discussion. I agree with what Gooral wrote about the value of having a wide difference of opinion on threads, so when I saw someone take a bold and controversial stand, I'd often feel compelled to give a "pat on the back" to the person doing that. I'll also freely admit that there are particular posters that I came back to a lot in posrepping them. But this was almost always because I truly did appreciate the post that I was posrepping, or wanting to thank that person for posrepping me. It's not purely because many of these people are my friends. Finally, I'll admit I went on at least two or three "posrep runs" in the past because I wanted to posrep a particular member that I was not yet in a position to posrep again (this was often due to that member making a great avatar or sig for me, IIRC). During these posrep runs I would search for posts that I felt were good, or witty, or at least had something to them that I liked. Ultimately, I tended to view posrep as benign, and not really something that could be abused. Perhaps I was wrong there, as board-wide power creep wasn't something I gave a lot of thought to, admittedly.
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2012-12-18, 19:29 | Link #284 | |
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2012-12-18, 19:30 | Link #285 |
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Well, what I meant more is that I don't think most people would be so worried about neg rep that they would refuse to even step into a thread. I'm sure it would be more common to shy away from a discussion after getting a negative rep, which would make them frustrated and/or hurt their feelings; but I don't think most people would be so concerned about getting a neg rep that they would not make that initial first post, and many of those people who dropped out of threads might've also done so because they were being bitched out and dogpiled in the thread itself (in much more obnoxious detail since posts can be much longer than the Twitteresque neg reps). I'm mainly just arguing against posts that were made in the past handful of pages here, I forget what anyone might've said during the early ones; and more than anything I'm disagreeing with the severity of the problems that reputation is believed to present, not whether those problems exist at all. I'm not saying there's no truth to some of the more cynical viewpoints concerning Reputation, but I personally doubt that Reputation makes AnimeSuki discussion markedly, significantly worse as some suggest, that Reputation creates a suffocatingly oppressive atmosphere and that AnimeSuki would be a very different place were it absent; I would imagine that although neg reps cause some amount of drama, that the overall quality of discussion here is impacted only a small amount.
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2012-12-18, 19:32 | Link #286 |
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I may have more to say later, but in summary great change. Was getting sick of the extreme positivist attitude in that sometimes even the most minute of negative comments can lead to negrepping or in the worse case, use the rep system for bullying cause you dont agree with popular opinion. I know this since a significant amount of negrep comments have been "." or "*insert random single letter here". Hold a grudge much?
AS isn't and shouldn't be MAL or Randomc or sort of anime community that jumps on anyone with anonymous mass negrepping. I mean cmon, if you want to disagree with someone who has a different or negative opinion, have some balls and verbally argue with them. |
2012-12-18, 19:32 | Link #287 | |
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@relentlessflame: My bad, I meant to post more but something went wrong. I edited it quickly. I think you confused me with someone else though, because you never needed to tell me to not post one-liners. In fact, this was what I had to say.
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2012-12-18, 19:36 | Link #288 | |
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thought I wonder if you guys give statistic about rep system like how many -rep:+rep. average number of rep, etc. so we all know the situation bit better. my opinion in this system is mainly indifferent. while it's nice to get possitive rep to show that people appreciate you post/works, I can see people get offended easily with negative rep. thought overall I found rep system have negligible effect to forum in general. then again I dont know the situation in detail.
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2012-12-18, 19:37 | Link #289 | ||
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2012-12-18, 19:39 | Link #290 | |
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And I wasn't trying to support Reputation, so much as I thought other people might've been a little cynical about human nature. If the facts at your disposal prove that I'm wrong, then alrighty; I'm wrong quite a bit. |
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2012-12-18, 19:42 | Link #291 |
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I think we have a misunderstanding. I totally agree with you that the current reputation system should be abolished because of the flaws you and others mentioned. My entire point is trying to get support for the idea that it can be fixed for the (far*) future. I'm not exactly trying to convince you, but to get others rally more suggestions on how something else could work without the flaws.
*I also agree that we need to go some time without a reputation system and see if people wants it back/likes this better.
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2012-12-18, 19:50 | Link #292 |
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I've already given my opinions days ago...
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2012-12-18, 19:57 | Link #293 | ||
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I also want to respond to this before I take a break (just realized I haven't eaten yet today... that's not good... )...
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As was said, part of this is just human nature, and removing the system won't eliminate this sort of private encouragement. But it did contribute, as you said, to power inflation, and made it so that certain voices were much, much louder than others (and the only way to catch up was basically to pander to people in power). Anyway, it made what was supposed to be a fun system into a little bit more manipulative than it should have been, at least in my view. Quote:
Anyway, suffice it to say, that I do understand perfectly well that all things can be used for good and for evil. It is up to people how to use them. The ways the system was used had both positives and negatives. I'm not trying to downplay the positives; I've always tried very hard to be a good poster as much as possible (ever since I arrived, long before I was on the staff) and there was certainly something flattering about seeing that other people appreciate your sincere efforts. And sometimes you'd get positive rep and you'd just be like "what?" and you wouldn't think anything of it. And even negative rep... honestly, one of the bad things about being an Admin is that I became "immune" to the problems other people had with it because everyone knew that I could see who sent it. But I could still see the behaviour very clearly. So anyway... there were good things, and there were bad things. If I'm pointing out the bad things, it's only because I've seen that it's there. But I've also seen the positive too, and I think we all have. Seeing all sides will help us come up with a better solution, and I *hope* that the staff and I are providing enough information as we can to help flesh it out (although I know that it's sort of piecemeal). (Now speaking of meals... )
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2012-12-18, 20:03 | Link #294 |
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Wow, I actually am quite intrigued by these secret dynamics of the rep system. Not sure why this interests me lol, but I had no idea the rep-garnering was as pervasive as the mods are now revealing. Anyways, for what it's worth, I've probably positive repped trolls and given stupid negative rep myself in the past (honestly, I can't even remember... my use of the rep system has been very, very sporadic), but hopefully this behavior is mitigated somewhat in that I've been on this forum throughout most of my teenage years and was not always as mature of a participant. Glad we can bury the hatchet.
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2012-12-18, 21:12 | Link #297 | |
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See if you can figure it out (particularly without looking up the variables, or getting similar stats from other members).
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2012-12-18, 21:53 | Link #299 | |
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43 + (Rep Power)x2 + (Current Rep Point) = Next Rep Point "level" So basically you need to have 2475 point to have 33 rep power Am I Right?
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2012-12-18, 22:18 | Link #300 | |
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Perhaps I should use another way of phrasing this. If you assume that Solace (for example) had 3000 rep points (I made it up), how much reputation power would he have today? That's a way of testing your formula.
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