Mahouka [LN/M] - Character Speculation/Theories: Honoka

[Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Rava

I blame Benio for that.

I keep thinking that Benio is less intelligent than she lets on.

I agree that Mizuki is usefull to Tatsuya for her eyes, but Mikihiko is usefull to him because his skills in sb magic are usefull (someone teach him more ancient magic please. He's like one of the most likeable guys after Tatsuya). Good thing that both still need their development.

Leo and Erika are usefull due to their strength in fights. The thing is that Leo could prove to be even more of use to Tatsuya.

Shizuku and Mizuki are less usefull than Miki and co. because they only have their magic going for them and even that has it's limits (Honoka's utility in magic is great, but overshadowed by Miki who is also a big offensive asset. Not to mention that she's outclassed by Mizuki's eyes who is outclassed by Pixie. Shizuku is a strong magician but unlike the group she doesn't have an area where she's talented. She doesn't bring any magical specialty to the table. Shizuku is outclassed by Erika who is more of use versus magicians, by Mikihiko whose magical specialty and talent outperform her, by Leo who can be both attacker and defender, by Minami who brings a nice talent to the table and by Lina (if she returns) who rivals Miyuki). Shizuku can't use the influence of the Kitayama name like Mayumi can use Saegusa, Raymond contacts Tatsuya without her help so she can't be a middleman either. Honoka's strong points are being dwarfed by the others.

The thing that sets Shizuku and Honoka apart the most, is that they don't have that special background in comparison to others (for example you could write a character who is a descendant of the elements like Honoka where the elements part does play a big role and that character would have a more interesting background compared to Honoka). The others have backgrounds that already gave them experiences (not only combat experience), which gave them advantages in comparisson to nearly all students of their peerage at first high. They're also more adept at using their magic in a practical way (you would think that Shizuku's affinity for Oscillation magic would surface in various ways but it's not the case.). And of course there is the whole difference of combat experience. Some would argue that Shizuku and Honoka are catching up in that department, but they aren't because they're the ones who end up being protected by the others.

[Guest2]

My thoughts are that while Honoka and Shizuku don't match up to some of the others in close combat skills or sheer ruthlessness, I believe their magic talent more than makes them a match in direct mid and long range combat compared to the rest of their friends. Their inherent talent also makes them more capable of being able to withstand long range attacks than most of Tatsuya's gang. But I suppose that due to lack of experience they wouldn't be the quickest to react in combat situations.


Shizuku's talent allows here to use a powerful top ranked long range sonic beam and Honoka can instantly mind blitz people from long range while her targets are out of sight. I feel this shows the 2 are quite capable at being powerful combat mages and perfectly complement Tatsuya's gang with their skills just as much as any of the others.

I feel Honoka's still quite important to the story due to her connection to Pixie. Although unless Pixie is using her offensive powers, it doesn't seem we will see much of them in a combo.

[Echizen777]

Shizuku is certainly a competent fighter but I don't see Honoka with a chance to beat Erika or Leo even with her Evil Eye as long as they don't drop their guards. Mainly because of their nature and combat experience. I can see Shizuku beating Leo if she is not too close to him, Trident+Phonon Maser would certainly destroy his Fortification magic, I don't see how she could beat Erika with her current feats though.

[Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Shizuku is certainly a competent fighter but I don't see Honoka with a chance to beat Erika or Leo even with her Evil Eye as long as they don't drop their guards. Mainly because of their nature and combat experience. I can see Shizuku beating Leo if she is not too close to him, Trident+Phonon Maser would certainly destroy his Fortification magic, I don't see how she could beat Erika with her current feats though.

Trident?

Shizuku and Honoka have the talent, but they don't put it into practice. Now that I think of it, wouldn't Shizuku be able to counter with oscillatory waves better than Tatsuya?

[Neo-Illusions]

Trident is Tatsuya's personal, custom made Silver Horn CAD.

Shizuku did buy one herself a Silver Horn after the NSC (and used it during Yokohama Incident), she knows how to cast Photon Maser with it.
Azusa also has a Silver Horn iirc, given to her by Tatsuya for taking up the mantle of class president.

While I digress a little, I still stand by my thoughts that Honoka and Shizuku are the closest to the Shiba siblings. Yes, Tatsuya probably relies more on Miki and Mizuki in recent volumes for their combat/scouting abilities but on a personal level, the two girls know more personally about Tatsuya and Miyuki than the other class mates. Although Erika did make the connection to Yotsuba first out of the group...

[Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Neo-Illusions

Trident is Tatsuya's personal, custom made Silver Horn CAD.

Shizuku did buy one herself after the NSC, she knows how to cast Photon Maser with it.
Azusa also has a Silver Horn iirc, given to her by Tatsuya for taking up the mantle as class president.

While I digress a little, I still stand by my thoughts that Honoka and Shizuku are the closest to the Shiba siblings. Yes, Tatsuya probably relies more on Miki and Mizuki in recent volumes for their combat/scouting abilities but on a personal level, the two girls know more personally about Tatsuya and Miyuki than the other class mates. Although Erika did make the connection to Yotsuba first out of the group...

Ah like that.

Miki and co. have been more of use since the start I'd say. And knowing Tatsuya more personally... I'd argue that. The only thing that comes to mind is Honoka's confession and Tatsuya's response, other than that most of the group are equally informed (bar Erika, but her instincts are better and it'd be hard to actually redirect her when she notices something's up).

[Echizen777]

Being useful and being close are very different, it's not because he needs someone's help that it means that he is closer. He asked to protect Honoka and Shizuku but the others are certainly included as well.

Originally Posted by Neo-Illusions

Trident is Tatsuya's personal, custom made Silver Horn CAD.

Shizuku did buy one herself a Silver Horn after the NSC (and used it during Yokohama Incident), she knows how to cast Photon Maser with it.
Azusa also has a Silver Horn iirc, given to her by Tatsuya for taking up the mantle of class president.

While I digress a little, I still stand by my thoughts that Honoka and Shizuku are the closest to the Shiba siblings. Yes, Tatsuya probably relies more on Miki and Mizuki in recent volumes for their combat/scouting abilities but on a personal level, the two girls know more personally about Tatsuya and Miyuki than the other class mates. Although Erika did make the connection to Yotsuba first out of the group...

Knowing more of their background don't make them closer. They don't really know more anyway, I only remember Tatsuya saying to Honoka that he is unable to love someone, it has its importance but it doesn't really make Honoka closer to him than his other friends, Shizuku knows nothing in particular. Erika, Leo, Mizuki, Mikihiko all know him well, maybe it's because it's Tatsuya that it's more complicated to see that.

If we take Miyuki for example, it's apparent that besides Tatsuya she is closer to Honoka and Shizuku, then there is Erika and Mizuki and Leo and Miki(they barely interact and I think there is a quote mentioning that they are not even friends, Mikihiko has even trouble talking with Miyuki). Honoka and Shizuku themselves are closer to each other than Miyuki. And there is Tatsuya, he is friend with all of them, but he is not particularly more intimate with one over the other but given his interactions, Erika, Leo, Mikihiko and Mizuki are closer to him than the 2 others. There is how he chose Erika and Mizuki's favorite sandwiches, noticing that Erika was angry when they were missing, it's because he knows them and their tastes well. For Honoka however, he asked for Miyuki's help because he didn't know what kind of gift she would prefer.

[Guest2]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Shizuku is certainly a competent fighter but I don't see Honoka with a chance to beat Erika or Leo even with her Evil Eye as long as they don't drop their guards. Mainly because of their nature and combat experience. I can see Shizuku beating Leo if she is not too close to him, Trident+Phonon Maser would certainly destroy his Fortification magic, I don't see how she could beat Erika with her current feats though.

I didn't realize we were talking about them fighting with each other, but I think it would be ridiculously difficult for them to keep their guard up in such a case. I really meant to suggest I feel their talents and family backgrounds are more than sufficient to equal the power(combat and influential) of the Shibas' gang of close friends.

In Honoka's case, I don't believe they even know of her talent with evil eye(Tatsuya was certainly surprised when he saw it), and to keep up their guard against her talent they would have to fight her with their eyes closed or prepare similar equipment. Not yet sure how well they could fight with their eyes closed.

[Nicaea]

Originally Posted by Guest2

In Honoka's case, I don't believe they even know of her talent with evil eye(Tatsuya was certainly surprised when he saw it), and to keep up their guard against her talent they would have to fight her with their eyes closed or prepare similar equipment. Not yet sure how well they could fight with their eyes closed.

If her True Evil Eye doesn't need any visual confirmation, she could put a full stop to Erika.

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by Nicaea

If her True Evil Eye doesn't need any visual confirmation, she could put a full stop to Erika.

If you mean TRUE Evil Eye, then what Honoka used was just the fake.

The TRUE Non(or Outer?)-systematic mental interference magic was the one used by Zhou in Vol. 6. What Honoka used in Vol. 11 is just a stronger version of the FAKE Evil Eye in Vol. 2.

True Evil Eye = Non/Outer-systematic magic
Fake Evil Eye = Oscillation(light) magic

Spoiler for Quote Vol2:

"Consciousness Interference Type Non-Systematic Magic, Evil Eye.
Even with that lofty name, the truth is that the light emitted from the eyes sends out hypnotizing waves, using the speed of light to bypass the limits of human sensory abilities, directly influencing the opponent through sight using light wave oscillation type magic.

Spoiler for Quote Vol. 7:

"The psychologist didn't say, but this definitely was not done through normal means. Maybe this is the real 'Evil Eye'."
Mayumi's opinion was more or less deeper than Mari's comment.
"So they sent a natural Outer-Systematic Magician......"
Unlike the "Evil Eye" developed by Russia before the formation of the New Soviet Union and passed on to separatist terrorist cells, Magicians who could naturally wield mental interference Outer-Systematic Magic had the power to completely rewrite someone's personality. These wielders of the "True Evil Eye" could completely change a person's activities in a short period of time while the victim and other people were still in the dark.

[Rava]

Hmm, that actually sounds off. (Outer and External are the same thing. Non is pure Psion Control.)

Guess it's time to text match...

Edit: Yeah, volume 2 page 252, 10 lines into the page says 系統外魔法, 邪眼. Missed that. =X

[Maxaumus]

Am i the only who thinks its weird honaka hasn't been shown to use a lasers since she's a light based specialist? Also before Tats discovered Shizuka talent in oscaliationa and all that followed what was she using before then?

[Lizlet]

Well, I am not sure if Tatsuya actually "rejected" her so to say. and further character development between the two would be borderlines pointless. fact is, Honokas feelings are pure, and the only reason Tatsuya said no was because he "is missing part of his soul" has he so neatly put it.

Because of this, apart from a relationship based on benefits of some sort I don't see anyone else really having a chance, apart from Myuki if the whole, not siblings thing goes though.

If for some reason Tatsuya gets his feelings back and ends up pursuing a relationship with that in mind, Honoka is practically a guarantee so long as she doesn't fall in love with someone new in the meantime.

She did tell Tatsuya iirc that she would continue to love him until she could love someone else, unless I am mixing it with another show, which is perfectly plausible.

That said, I ship Tatsuya x Mayumi, because it would be so lol with regard to Kasumi.
Honoka comes in a close second though.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by Lizlet

Well, I am not sure if Tatsuya actually "rejected" her so to say. and further character development between the two would be borderlines pointless. fact is, Honokas feelings are pure, and the only reason Tatsuya said no was because he "is missing part of his soul" has he so neatly put it.
Because of this, apart from a relationship based on benefits of some sort I don't see anyone else really having a chance, apart from Myuki if the whole, not siblings thing goes though.
If for some reason Tatsuya gets his feelings back and ends up pursuing a relationship with that in mind, Honoka is practically a guarantee so long as she doesn't fall in love with someone new in the meantime.
She did tell Tatsuya iirc that she would continue to love him until she could love someone else, unless I am mixing it with another show, which is perfectly plausible.
That said, I ship Tatsuya x Mayumi, because it would be so lol with regard to Kasumi.
Honoka comes in a close second though.

You are right; Tatsuya did not reject her. He could not reject her feeling because he cannot understand whether he likes her or not. So, he told her, he cannot answer to her confession, yet.

I wouldn't say, Honoka has a guarantee to be chosen by Tatsuya, but I would say, she may have a better chance than Mayumi who tends to lead and control things. Unfortunately, he does not like to be controlled. On the other hand, Honoka simply follows Tatsuya's lead and intentions without questioning. So, I would like to say, Honoka is still in the game.

[ProxyAccount]

It's not that Tatsuya cannot understand whether he likes her or not, but simply that he is unable to have such a strong feeling. So he cannot reject or reciprocate her feelings.

Miyuki is uber-Honoka. She stated from Reminiscence that she would follow him no matter what. However, she is often ordered by Tatsuya to stay behind due to the danger involved. Honoka's nature is to follow Tatsuya, but she also doesn't want to get in his way.

To follow Tatsuya anywhere means to walk in the valley of death. At this point, Honoka has no advantage over other girls that seem to cluster around the reliable but cold and mysterious Tatsuya. What she has going for her is a natural sense (her predisposition) for following Tatsuya. His inability to reciprocate and the fact that he is so far advanced doesn't stop her from following him (unlike Sayaka).

[Echizen777]

She has been rejected, otherwise she would have been his girlfriend, but being rejected doesn't mean you can't try. That's what happen when you confess...

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

It's not that Tatsuya cannot understand whether he likes her or not, but simply that he is unable to have such a strong feeling. So he cannot reject or reciprocate her feelings.

Miyuki is uber-Honoka. She stated from Reminiscence that she would follow him no matter what. However, she is often ordered by Tatsuya to stay behind due to the danger involved. Honoka's nature is to follow Tatsuya, but she also doesn't want to get in his way.

To follow Tatsuya anywhere means to walk in the valley of death. At this point, Honoka has no advantage over other girls that seem to cluster around the reliable but cold and mysterious Tatsuya. What she has going for her is a natural sense (her predisposition) for following Tatsuya. His inability to reciprocate and the fact that he is so far advanced doesn't stop her from following him (unlike Sayaka).

The difference I see with Miyuki and Honoka is that Miyuki has her jealousy, and Tatsuya favors her because she is his sister. She has no advantage in the romance department because of this.

[ProxyAccount]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

She has been rejected, otherwise she would have been his girlfriend, but being rejected doesn't mean you can't try. That's what happen when you confess...

"To Honoka's feelings, I cannot respond."
[...]
"......if so, that is fine."
"?"
"Hereafter, Tatsuya will never have a sweetheart? If so, even if I like Tatsuya, it will never turn into an illicit love affair right?"
"That......there's no knowing but...."
"Well then, it's not a problem. I will from now on, continue to like Tatsuya! Until someone else is liked, however!"

The difference I see with Miyuki and Honoka is that Miyuki has her jealousy, and Tatsuya favors her because she is his sister. She has no advantage in the romance department because of this.

There will be no romance that I can see. Tatsuya can try to do things to make others feel better...he's inclined to do so, but I don't see him being able to love deeply. At least, so far.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

"To Honoka's feelings, I cannot respond."
[...]
"......if so, that is fine."
"?"
"Hereafter, Tatsuya will never have a sweetheart? If so, even if I like Tatsuya, it will never turn into an illicit love affair right?"
"That......there's no knowing but...."
"Well then, it's not a problem. I will from now on, continue to like Tatsuya! Until someone else is liked, however!"

If he can't respond to her feelings it means she has been rejected.

There will be no romance that I can see. Tatsuya can try to do things to make others feel better...he's inclined to do so, but I don't see him being able to love deeply. At least, so far.

That's what I was saying. No one has an advantage romantically for this reason.

[ProxyAccount]

"It's not you, it's me."
It's about a gentle, genuine non-acceptance (yes, rejection of a sort) as it could be. However, Benio noted that he didn't dissuade her, and let her continue liking him. (Her opinion was that he was stringing her along.)

[Armando99]

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

"It's not you, it's me."
It's about a gentle, genuine non-acceptance (yes, rejection of a sort) as it could be. However, Benio noted that he didn't dissuade her, and let her continue liking him. (Her opinion was that he was stringing her along.)

It is a very gentle way. If I would be rejected myself, this would be the way I hope it goes. It is no fault to Tatsuya that he cannot reciprocate Honoka's feeling, he is not able to.

I don't think that it is stringing her along, Benio only thought that way because she did not know all the circumstances.