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Old 2017-03-25, 13:11   Link #361
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So, in vol.22 we may see Yotsuba vs. Tooyama and Todou Aoba vs. Tooyama's sponsor.

Another interesting thing would be Edward Clark's perspective on Tatsuya. Edward calls people who isolated Tatsuya, "ignorant" while agreeing on opinions by young magicians in the meeting regarding "silent majority"; the idea is that there are silent majority of people who support magicians. And, Edward also thinks people in USNA also do not express their opinions loudly. He also thinks, it may be a good opportunity to remove the country(USNA)'s greatest threat.Personally, the greatest threat from Edward's monologue seems to be anti-magician movement.
The idea of Yotsuba vs Tooyama is interesting. Yotsuba is underworld clan which protect country from civilian side while Tooyama is underworld clan which protect country from army side.

Maybe Tooyama is wary because there's a case when Tatsuya attacking army supply port when he pursuing Zhou.

Silent Majority is not people who support magicians but people who don't hate magicians. While "Noisy Minority" is people who hate magicians.
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Old 2017-03-25, 18:01   Link #362
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Silent Majority is not people who support magicians but people who don't hate magicians. While "Noisy Minority" is people who hate magicians.
We usually say "vocal minority".
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Old 2017-03-25, 22:22   Link #363
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Tsukasa's target is Tatsuya not Miyuki or Yotsuba.
When Tsukasa visited Juumonji's house, what she primary asked, was about Tatsuya.
After communicating with Mitsuya Shiina, Tsukasa even stated, "I obtained a good pawn to test "him"."

The key theme in the volume is about the dilemma between being loyal to one's country and being loyal to one's government. Normally, we would see the country and the government as the same entity. But, the author is introducing the new view where separates the government from the country.

Examples in vol.21
1. Tsukasa wants to know whether Tatsuya would be loyal to Japanese military or not.
2. Based on Tsukasa's conversation with Juumonji, it can be assumed she is more loyal to the military than the country.
3. Kazama does not believe the Japanese military's interest is always the same as the country's interest. Based on his decision to distance 101 battalion from Tatsuya in order to avoid the military from freely using material bust, we can assume, Kamaza is more loyal to his country than the military.
4. Edward Clark is loyal to his country (USNA) not the government. He thinks, ones who can dominate (rule) the world is USNA and Edward's allies.

In this volume, we got the new player. Tooyama Clan. Just like Yotsuba, this clan is also specialized in underworld operations, but they only work for the military. And, Tooyama also has very powerful figure (sponsor) who controls Military's intelligence agency on their back. So, in vol.22 we may see Yotsuba vs. Tooyama and Todou Aoba vs. Tooyama's sponsor.

Another interesting thing would be Edward Clark's perspective on Tatsuya. Edward calls people who isolated Tatsuya, "ignorant" while agreeing on opinions by young magicians in the meeting regarding "silent majority"; the idea is that there are silent majority of people who support magicians. And, Edward also thinks people in USNA also do not express their opinions loudly. He also thinks, it may be a good opportunity to remove the country(USNA)'s greatest threat.Personally, the greatest threat from Edward's monologue seems to be anti-magician movement.
I find much more interesting that every powerful or strategic magician introduced has a very important role and power in their country with the exception of tats. By now whe should have seen more magicians being explored in simillar situations to tats...
Besides that we haven t seen nor heard of a single magician betraying his/her country in the entire history of the world... All this suspicion and schemes end uo as idiotic when tats is the only magician in the world that has this probs...
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Old 2017-03-25, 22:36   Link #364
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I find much more interesting that every powerful or strategic magician introduced has a very important role and power in their country with the exception of tats. By now whe should have seen more magicians being explored in simillar situations to tats...
Besides that we haven t seen nor heard of a single magician betraying his/her country in the entire history of the world... All this suspicion and schemes end uo as idiotic when tats is the only magician in the world that has this probs...
Those magicians went public. Tatsuya hasn't.
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Old 2017-03-25, 23:26   Link #365
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All magicians outside Japan pledge themselves to their government and military. Japan's case is different. 10mc is civilian.
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Old 2017-03-25, 23:34   Link #366
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All magicians outside Japan pledge themselves to their government and military. Japan's case is different. 10mc is civilian.
And ironically the Yotsubas can wipe out an entire country. Civilians >>>> Army

By the way is Miguel Diaz part of the army too?
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Old Yesterday, 02:47   Link #367
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We usually say "vocal minority".
In the book stated "noisy minority" though.

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And ironically the Yotsubas can wipe out an entire country. Civilians >>>> Army

By the way is Miguel Diaz part of the army too?
By preemptive attack, yes, army can wipe out Yotsuba and vice versa.
But if they to fight openly, like declaring hostility, respecting the law of war, etc etc, army should have higher hand, organization-wise and number-wise.

Yes, Miguel Diaz is part of army.
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Old Yesterday, 03:47   Link #368
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The strongest magic military force in Japan isn't jdsf. It's Yotsuba and saegusa. TMC system is Considered the pinnacle in development of magicians because it's private and this system doesn't get diluted with governments influence
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Old Yesterday, 09:23   Link #369
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The strongest magic military force in Japan isn't jdsf. It's Yotsuba and saegusa. TMC system is Considered the pinnacle in development of magicians because it's private and this system doesn't get diluted with governments influence
Though jdsf could rally magicians in country for defending country. The focus here is, Yotsuba vs everyone else
The patron 3rd intelligence division is Saegusa btw. So any chance for army has antagonistic position with Yotsuba? at very least Saegusa would welcome the idea as long he can weaken Yotsuba.
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Old Yesterday, 09:53   Link #370
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The strongest magic military force in Japan isn't jdsf. It's Yotsuba and saegusa. TMC system is Considered the pinnacle in development of magicians because it's private and this system doesn't get diluted with governments influence
They're not military. They have military connections.

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Though jdsf could rally magicians in country for defending country. The focus here is, Yotsuba vs everyone else
The patron 3rd intelligence division is Saegusa btw. So any chance for army has antagonistic position with Yotsuba? at very least Saegusa would welcome the idea as long he can weaken Yotsuba.
The Yotsuba have connections to 101 and they're a black ops trump card.
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Old Yesterday, 13:04   Link #371
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The Yotsuba have connections to 101 and they're a black ops trump card.
Em someting wrong with your word that i dont get it. sorry about that...
What i know:
-Yotsuba have connection with 101 but they not yotsuba trump card and thanks from TrueAlchemist, they have connection brobably because they share same view?(loyal to country but not to army).
-Yotsuba have their own black ops (branch familiy?-kuroba) and can be consider their own trump card (arr dont forget about their own specific experiment including parasite they obtain from volume 11).


so right now Tatsuya about to be strike from 4 direction (not 4 again) right?
-10mc(saegusa)
-Japanese army loyal(Tsukasa)
-USNA (Edward Clark)
-USNA (Army)

Hurm im bet each side of them dont know about other action except Edward?(maybe)
So how the hell Tatsuya suppose to nailed every single one of them??? and who will be his aid this time

After this arc 'Prologue of Disturbance' end, what kind off title author use for next arc
'Awakening' or 'Destruction' might be become very good name for new arc
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Old Yesterday, 13:13   Link #372
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Em someting wrong with your word that i dont get it. sorry about that...
What i know:
-Yotsuba have connection with 101 but they not yotsuba trump card and thanks from TrueAlchemist, they have connection brobably because they share same view?(loyal to country but not to army).
-Yotsuba have their own black ops (branch familiy?-kuroba) and can be consider their own trump card (arr dont forget about their own specific experiment including parasite they obtain from volume 11).


so right now Tatsuya about to be strike from 4 direction (not 4 again) right?
-10mc(saegusa)
-Japanese army loyal(Tsukasa)
-USNA (Edward Clark)
-USNA (Army)

Hurm im bet each side of them dont know about other action except Edward?(maybe)
So how the hell Tatsuya suppose to nailed every single one of them??? and who will be his aid this time

After this arc 'Prologue of Disturbance' end, what kind off title author use for next arc
'Awakening' or 'Destruction' might be become very good name for new arc
By they, I mean the Yotsuba. The government won't abandon them so easily.
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Old Yesterday, 18:17   Link #373
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By they, I mean the Yotsuba. The government won't abandon them so easily.
Hurm you right govt wont abandon them but there a good question about 101 Independence battalion coz i still dont get it what they mean 'independence' from what, govt or army
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Old Yesterday, 22:00   Link #374
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Hurm you right govt wont abandon them but there a good question about 101 Independence battalion coz i still dont get it what they mean 'independence' from what, govt or army
Independence which meaning independent from the usual chain of command.
This battalion reports directly to hq general strategic staff.
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