2007-11-27, 17:05 | Link #1981 |
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Seeing as the whole show has some unbelievable parts...starting with Lucy herself, she might have lived. But I doubt that, if she survived, then there is still a big problem that is the company. They will keep coming back and I am sure next time they will kill those around her as well.
I belive she died, and in doing so, clensed herself of her past murders. I took that scene as the bullets taking her sins out, sort of a baptism(by fire...lol) that would clense her. She made her peace with Kouta then went to make her ultimate peace with the world. Besides if she lived there would still be the rivalry beteen her and the cousin(Sorry forgot her name, been a long time since I watched) As for the guns, they were using mainly MP5 which uses the 9mm, and I am guessing they had parabellum rounds(Hollow points, basically causes more damage). Enough of them would kill anyone, and did you see the amount of soldiers firing, it was quite a lot. Overall her death was sad, but not tragic. She was a murderer, and a psychopath. Sure The other self was sweet, but the killer was always there. She just couldn't live in society, death was probably the best thing for her. She got to say she loved him, got a kiss and got the reassurance he does not totally hate her. It was enough for her to at least die somewhat happy. Then add the orphan girl who was molested and the other horned girl(Again sorry, been a while) who were both saved and got a better life, I say it was a pretty good ending. The truly sad part for me was the flashbacks, at the moment she gave herself to the killer side. The moment she said I really loved you Kouta, was the gut kicker for me. Had he told the truth about the cousin, but said he was not interested(Wasn't at the time), things might have been different. They could have had a life together...but they didn't. I guess the term for this is what happens...happens. But that is just my humble opinion. |
2007-11-28, 18:14 | Link #1983 |
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my impression is she's alive..as Nyu or that persona when she was younger (cant remember name, sorry) no problems with the company since they can only follow the bloodtrace or rely on other diclonius to detect her but they can't since she's lost her horns so isn't a diclonius anymore |
2007-11-29, 03:43 | Link #1984 |
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Wow.
When'd this thread get so hostile? Think it's time for a real change of topic, therefore, I'll throw this into the fray: X-men Think about it. Diclonious = Mutant... possible connection? Come on, don't we all want to see Nana in costume?! Okay, on to a truly serious topic: Post-anime. Really, am I the only one who thinks Lucy's death (IF it happened) would change anything? Her birth was an anomaly, what's to say it couldn't happen again? Or that she was the only "Queen"? I'll bet there are a lot more diclonious cases, not just in Japan either. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if things end up like they do in Will Smith's new movie... replacing the vampires with diclonious of course. (Trying not to think of vampires vs diclonious... attempt failed) Any other thoughts on post-anime plotlines? (Ya know, the X-men thing's starting to make a lot more sense... damn fanfiction for poisoning my mind!) |
2007-11-29, 08:15 | Link #1985 | |
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2007-11-29, 10:47 | Link #1986 | |
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Actually Lucy was not the anomoly. Spoiler for manga:
While in the manga Lucy never tells Kouta her feelings, which she regreted, and never kisses him, an equally emotional and more believable event takes place initiated by Kouta. There is no question about her fate and she truely gets to redeem herself, at least as it relates to Kouta. Spoiler for manga:
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2007-11-29, 14:15 | Link #1987 |
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I should correct you on the fact that I didn't insult anyone other than you only, the only one stupid enough to still argue on this equally stupid and pointless debate. The moment you stopped responding to my attacks that are concerned with the scenario, (i.e. the below quote by me)
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I took that as you agreeing, 'yes I was stupid, going further is pointless'. If you are still unconvinced we can start from here again, not from where you sidetracked off into this post, Spoiler:
, which attempts to invalidate my points without even trying to address my concerns stated above. I'm more interested in discussing the characters, themes, etc. behind animes and not the plausibility of the anime. It was fun for a while trolling and provoking angry responses but I guess it does get tiring and bit sad watching one come up with some of the most stupid and imaginative speculations. EDIT: lol at below. Sad way to avoid questions that one can not answer. Last edited by gaguri; 2007-11-30 at 05:50. |
2007-11-29, 15:48 | Link #1988 | |
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2007-12-01, 21:41 | Link #1989 | |
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Okay, I'm a complete n00b here so sorry if I offend anyone, but I just got done watching Elfen Lied last night. Now you seem dead on on what you have said. No matter how much I wish it isnt true, you really put it out there that Lucy/Nyu is dead. I'll probably have to rewatch the last episode to actully notice the things you have pointed out. But still there is one more question that lingers in my mind and that is who the person behind the door is? I now we will never know who it is exactly but I would like some peoples opinions. This has probably been discussed so much already but I dont wanna go and search the onehundred pages to find out what other people think. I still wish Lucy wouldnt have died though. T_T |
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2007-12-02, 04:48 | Link #1991 |
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@Atsushi
Here's a speculation I made years ago, and still unchanged. I have yet to meet anyone sharing my opinion, because justifiably, it's bit random and far-fetched, but I myself still prefer it than having to take Lucy as answer. Spoiler:
Hope if that helped ^_^b. Thanks anyway for at least making an opportunity to talk about stuff more interesting and less retarded than trying to answer the question of 'how a girl can not die from being gunned closeshot by a group of trained gunners in a realistic manner'. It's good to know that there is one less ostrich out there, burying his head inside the ground. Yes, he can't see anything so there is nothing to worry about, but I wonder if he realises that his ass is still showing. |
2007-12-02, 13:38 | Link #1992 |
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Thats a pretty rock solid theory there but there are a few gap that I see.
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Other than that you have a pretty good theory. (I dont think I need to put that in spoiler qutes but meh). Oh, and thanks for not concidering me an ostrich. ^_^ |
2007-12-02, 19:00 | Link #1994 | |
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I mean, I could argue that the research team somehow developed the diclonius superior, and can go near other inferior diclonius like Nana without her noticing. But as you can see, that's only a speculation, which may lead to pointless debate. No way near a solid theory I suppose, but that's how I saw the girl behind the silhoutte to be. |
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2007-12-02, 19:02 | Link #1995 |
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WOW gaguri that's a brilliant theory. Musta taken you ages to think that up! But, as well as what Atsushi said, there's something I gotta say. It seems to me that Lucy doesn't want to continue the Diclonius race.
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2007-12-02, 19:06 | Link #1996 |
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Didn't take me ages to come to the idea (or maybe it did, but it was so long ago I can't remember), but took ages to type all that in a coherent manner, backed up by all the details I could find...it's a simple idea, but quite a far-fetched one without considering the implication and symbols I've mentioned before.
As for Nyu coming back alive...I don't like the idea of Nyu somehow 'waking up' alive in that body (if it's still in one piece) but ok... |
2007-12-02, 21:43 | Link #1998 | |
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Oh, and I wathced the OVA today, a bit more info on Lucy's background and a bit of comedy involving Nana. lol, a bit of an enlightening episode. And it takes place somewhere between like 10 and 11 or something right? |
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2007-12-02, 23:43 | Link #1999 |
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But I thought the ones with the 'hands' were all killed or hiding(Nana). Aren't the others just humans with horns? If that is the case, then they can only fight as a human, and can die just as easily.
And if they do have more with 'hands', I would be hard pressed to believe one could survive a tank shell or aviation bomb/missle. While he does run a rich company with many weapons, when the world's militaries finally got involved, they would ultimately be stopped. Also, not all the Diclonius are cold blooded killers(Nana). So looking at it from a tactical view, I don't think the Diclonius could take the world. From what is shown, Humans out number them, plus have the ultimate technology if need be. No matter how many 'hands' you have, you are not going to stop a thermonuclear weapon(Though that would be a last resort). |
2007-12-03, 04:17 | Link #2000 | |
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Heh yeah I love the bits with Nana, especially when she comes home and Nyuu's face! ^_^ By the way TigerII they're called "vectors". |
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