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2011-02-24, 14:12 | Link #22023 |
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I believe the clear skies were all fantasy scenes weren't they?
I wonder if we'll ever have an official solution to the epitaph. It's the only mystery I really want to know :3 Screw the murders.
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2011-02-27, 10:43 | Link #22027 |
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Hey guys I got another of my crazy ideas.
Here's the umineko philosophy in a nutshell if applied to our contemporary society: Spoiler for Heavily satiric image about the "Umineko Philosophy as shown in EP8":
I think Umineko pretty much confirms one of the axioms of our society: "A man's willingness to hide the truth and to pretend all is right in the country is directly proportional to the power he holds". Just look at Battler, he started as a harsh denialist of magic, with a strong will to find and uncover the truth. Then as soon as he became the Game Master and Feudal Lord he completely switched side.
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2011-02-27, 20:32 | Link #22030 |
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Argh, I almost posted this in the EP7 forum, without realizing that it's not confirmed who the authors were until EP8. 8)
Anyways, I'm going back through EP1 just for the fun of it because of a certain reason.. *cough* and it's interesting if you go back and try to imagine what Yasu (or Battler/Tooya in EP3-4) was thinking when they were writing. For example: "I guess I have all that muscle training and those shady mail-order performance-enhancing drugs to thank for that." This line seems so out of place that I can't help but think Yasu got carried away with imagining Battler's 6-yr-older hot sexy body at that point. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a drool spot on that page. |
2011-02-27, 21:38 | Link #22032 | ||||
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This isn't about using the truth to hurt others, but "learning and accepting sad truths". In fact Ange later devotes her own life to teach "magic" to all the children of the world. The philosophy behind all that is that it's better not to learn/deny sad truths and replace them with something happier. (Ninjaed by Sherry) Let's take as an example Battler and Erika discussion: Quote:
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I wonder what kind of worth they see in knowing that Pluto isn't a planet or that Alpha Centauri is the closest star to our solar system. According to this reasoning that's completely worthless... poor astronomists... Anyway Erika makes a good point, knowledge changes the way you live (and she's the bad guy). Quote:
So in other words, Battler acknowledges that depending on what you know your life changes. And because of that he decided to change Ange's life by telling her something different from the truth. Am I the only one that sees a problem here? The intention might be good, but there are severe moral implications in trying to manipulate someone's life by telling them lies (or hiding truths from them). Especially if that blatantly goes against their will. From this point onward "What's the point in knowing the truth?" becomes the "leit motif" of the whole episode. It was probably repeated a hundred of times.
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2011-02-27, 21:39 | Link #22033 | |
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Yasu : *is writing Legend in the garden* Kuma : Oh, are you still working on that? Yasu : ...yes. I'd like you to read this ... part. It's where I suspect Jessica will probably meet Battler. I was thinking he'd say something, like, ah, "lemme grab your tits". Kuma : Well isn't that lulzy. Can you put me in that scene? Hohoho. Yasu : Oh sure, sure. That sounds just like him, after all, right? He likes them big, right? Kihihihi Genji : He certainly said something to that effect, yes. Nanjo : I dunno, Yasu-kun. He said that a LONG time ago, when he was just a child. I doubt he sincerely meant all the sorts of things he was spouting back th- Yasu : **FACE** Genji : DAMNIT NANJO. |
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2011-02-27, 21:42 | Link #22034 | |
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Even though something is true, truth is not necessarily the best option. So instead of pulling a terrible truth out in the open, it's better to just find your own truth and live with it instead of destroying harmony. It's not like I actually agree with it, but it's a much more accepted notion in Japan than it is in the West. The most prominent example is, how the three monkeys were a symbol for model social behaviour in Japan, while it became a symbol for cowardice and wrong behaviour in the West. It's not like anybody involved doesn't know the truth, they just disregard it in favour of their personal truth. |
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2011-02-27, 21:55 | Link #22035 | |
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Deny or minimize a terrible truth for the sake of harmony? I know a lot of dictators that totally agreed (and agree) with that. No doubt that disclosing some truths can lead to conflict and even war and deaths. But if you don't open your eyes to the truth, nothing will ever change.
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2011-02-27, 23:06 | Link #22036 | |||||
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The point is that Ange has the right to choose. Even Will acknowledged that and no one's getting on his ass. WTF? Quote:
Yes, it was wrong of Battler to not respect Ange's decision, but this is nowhere near comparable to maliciously hiding government secrets to dupe the sheeple and shit; come on now. PS In fairness, if EP8 is being written by Ange as suspected, then Meta-Battler in this context would be the personification of the part of her that wants to believe in the golden "everyone is nice" scenario.
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2011-02-27, 23:46 | Link #22037 | |
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Where is the similarity between a dictator hiding terrible government secrets about weapons of massdestruction and death facilities and a brother who just wants his sister to remember the good points of her family instead of their terrible last moments. In knowing that a dictator is hiding weapons of massdestruction and kills everyone opposing his reign there is a very positive gain, because you can give that information to the world and help overthrow that reign of terror. In knowing that a family turned into selfcentred jerks over a bunch of gold and basically killed each other in the process because an abandoned child didn't know how to be loved and accidently opened up that chance, ending in the death or madness of everybody except a single teenage girl....what's the gain in knowing that?! Of course people can hold different personal opinions about the second, but there is no definite GAIN in that truth. That truth is not about gaining something useful, it's just about knowing and gaining power through that. It's like we regain some power over celebrities by depriving them of their privacy. |
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2011-02-28, 00:46 | Link #22039 |
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One thing I noticed when reading the summaries is that in Kanon's memory of Kinzo in episode 6 he describes Kinzo in an almost identical way to episode 8. "In private he didn't have to preserve that air of majesty and his face would turn unbelievably childish". Anyone else notice that?
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2011-02-28, 01:04 | Link #22040 | |
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He isn't arguing that Ange shouldn't see the truth. He is using all his influence, all his allies, all his power to forcibly stop her. That's a political philosophy, not a social one. He is advocating a view and imposing them on others. He is using his powers to maintain the reign of fantasy, even if he has to force people to accept it. |
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