(L) UQ Holder (Ken Akamatsu's new series)

[Diluc]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

It's simple. After Touta exorcises the MoTB out of Negi and finds a way to disable her resonance power thus effectively remove her reason to be evil, a dying Negi will understand that Touta can do wonders he could never imagine, meaning making the MoTB a good person, thus the future is secured even without him and he can rest in peace, reunite with his mother and father without worry.

About Asuna, if they will go "save the world" route, rescuing her is a must since it's not nice to let a girl be imprisoned alone like that.

If this really the "same timeline" with "that" timeline supposedly Asuna will awake In next 45 year later then she would be not saved until her awaken during 45 year sequence.
I think the real queation for Asuna is where she is sleeping for whole years?

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

A few ideas after reading spoilers...

Spoiler for Touta and Others:

So if Touta is created directly from the DNA of Asuna and Negi. Doesn't that make him the son of Asuna and Negi instead of the grandson? I mean i know he's a GMO test tube baby or something but that's how I see him when it comes down to it.

As far as Nodoka and Yue go, I was thinking that they are creations of the life maker. They are real and alive as much as Rakan is. They are exact replicas of the original, something like the Fate series? So they can use the same artifacts. This is just an idea, unless somehow Negi turned them immortals.

This also the question in air for me.
how could Touta became grandson ? i once theorized the possibility of Touta is second generation clone and his mother might was a first clone, therefore he is grandchild to Negi.

[AstroNerdBoy]

@Solo -- I think it is much more complicated than that.

Spoiler for 127 theory:

Touta is a homunculus, using not only DNA, but magic and who knows what all else to preserve abilities and such (explaining why Touta could master things and do things with little effort) of Negi and Asuna. We don't know who Touta's parents are, but they could be actual offspring of Negi. They then headed the project to create Touta, thus creating the means by which Touta becomes Negi's grandson.

[DerGilga]

About the son thing, Touta has black hair, and battle instincts.

Spoiler for 127:

'Nodoka' has wings.

[Diluc]

@DerGilga
I am not sure with that, although i once predicted Nodoka married Negi now seem unlikely
if Negi indeed has a children then from which girl?

Edit: Wait!! I just remember Negi has childhood friend, right?
If him has child then it possible from her womb?
Since a lot Negi top harem aren't confirmed in relationship with him or not, that girl could serve as Dummy target for Negi Generic wife in purpose to Negi children-clone theory.

[DerGilga]

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My point is, Touta has traits which neither Negi nor Asuna have. So either it's a recessive trait, which black hair normaly isn't, or there has to be at least one more person involved in Touta's DNA.

[AstroNerdBoy]

Originally Posted by DerGilga

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My point is, Touta has traits which neither Negi nor Asuna have. So either it's a recessive trait, which black hair normaly isn't, or there has to be at least one more person involved in Touta's DNA.

Which is where the KONOE family comes into play.

[Diluc]

Originally Posted by DerGilga

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My point is, Touta has traits which neither Negi nor Asuna have. So either it's a recessive trait, which black hair normaly isn't, or there has to be at least one more person involved in Touta's DNA.

Ah i see now
Certainly Both Negi and Asuna doesn't have black hair neither for their family
Tracing back to both bloodline also no indicating this (Springfield are british and i doubt Vesperina has thick black-haired ancestrals)
All in the end lead for Konoe family involvement because Konoe family has black hair.

[DerGilga]

Given that I consider this to be his strongest trait, I'm actually way more interested from whom he got is battle instincts. On several occasions people commented on them and they are probably one of the reasons why he is such a quick lerner.

I hope for a good portion of Set-chan in Touta, but with Kurou-chan and Isana-chan my Set-chan hunger is already stilled.

[Diluc]

Uuuh I believe he inherited that trait the most from Nagi, a lot people has stated Touta more like Nagi than Negi.
Nagi was shounen-like : Energetic, idiot, wild, battle genius and Touta has that

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Roxis

If this really the "same timeline" with "that" timeline supposedly Asuna will awake In next 45 year later then she would be not saved until her awaken during 45 year sequence.
I think the real queation for Asuna is where she is sleeping for whole years?

Ken's works usually involves multi-verse theory, thus even if UQ Holder is having the same event at "that" timeline, it could easily deviate at anytime and create a new timeline where Touta finds an alternative solution and relieves Asuna of her duty, waking her up earlier.

[DerGilga]

Well Korean scans are out

Spoiler for 127:

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https://youtu.be/FsqJFIJ5lLs

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Originally Posted by Fwarlord

Ken's works usually involves multi-verse theory, thus even if UQ Holder is having the same event at "that" timeline, it could easily deviate at anytime and create a new timeline where Touta finds an alternative solution and relieves Asuna of her duty, waking her up earlier.

But why should he? And given that the focus of UQ seems to be earth this time, how would the Marsian princess fit into it?

I really want to know how Touta's White of Mars will be important in MotB-chan's plans saving Earth.... maybe inverse Earth will be introduced? Inverse Earth, Venus, Sumerians, Shinzou, Yhwh... so many possibilities

[Tempest35]

Well... That went just as well as one expected it to...

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by Roxis

Uuuh I believe he inherited that trait the most from Nagi, a lot people has stated Touta more like Nagi than Negi.
Nagi was shounen-like : Energetic, idiot, wild, battle genius and Touta has that

I'd say this is true. We can say that Touta's battle instincts came from Nagi. Black hair from the Konoe family. But did Negi really have any biological children of his own? I thought Negi wasn't fertile? Either way, now I really want to know whose name Negi whispered into Asuna's ear that time.

@DerGilga: Asuna can still have a role to play if she does wake up earlier, though. She was raised on Earth after Nagi rescued her from Megalomesembria, and she also attended Mahora Academy as one of Negi's students, lest we forget.

[Hata]

Originally Posted by DerGilga

Given that I consider this to be his strongest trait, I'm actually way more interested from whom he got is battle instincts. On several occasions people commented on them and they are probably one of the reasons why he is such a quick lerner.

quick learner is a trait of BOTH Asuna and Negi. Tota's carefree/decisive character is definitely from Asuna, not Negi, unless you are talking about inter generation gene of Nagi from Negi.

Spoiler for 127:

the black Yue and Nodoka is just… not dark enough? same with Al Ken basically just use expressionless facial for them to turn side, compares to Rakan, who makes a decent heel face because his original character design is badass enough, Ken did score strong by giving Nodoka a slight cold smile, but lose point by showing her eyes too often, IMO should go more with the hair cover eyes look to go with the evil smile.

everyone stays naked, which is why Tota was not stripped last chapter, would have make the picture awkward. as to why no one pulls clothes from their alt.dimension closet? then you would not have the money shot of Eva later on.

as far as EvaXTota concern, that one is dead, I never really consider that line a legit one anyway, on the same page, we can forget that Negi still has some control of his own body from last chapter, it is all LM, or at least, a battle is unavoidable because it was too late to stop the sympathy.

the money shot of this chapter of a blushing Eva after hearing it, and the line of the entire series, “hands off my woman old geezer!” (translation here should be strong, as that is Tota’s intent.)

people were commenting on the position Rakan’s body blocking Tota’s shots, apparently even Rakan’s groin is hard enough to take on TWO Tota’s punches?

I have to say, UQ the story is not as finely tuned as Negima, Negima went with the traditional shonen way, and only crumble under its own weight in the end because the story structure/author can not handle it, you can tell Ken is trying to be different with UQ, but his story is not as well designed, for starter, Tota is a failure, then why he is being pursue and kill off at the beginning of the story? and if he is a failure why Fate wants him? now after a training section with the witch to control his black and white power, all of a sudden Tota is the only success? (and if he is a success why he is allow to run free many times in the story?) of course we knew why Fate and Eva want Tota, (as his magic cancel is the only counter to LM) but why does the LM want Tota, too? consider the most LM can do with magic cancel is again the destruction of MW, but going back to the beginning of UQ the stake now is “the whole solar system”, I am looking forward to how this will connect with the exploration ship Shinobu is talking about.

of course Tota is made up from Asuna and Negi, we knew that a long time ago, I am less critical of the grandson designation + Konoe last name, it can be explained away, as the experiment were carry out by the Konoes, so he is like their son, to avoid the Springfield name it is the best way to name him after Konoe, and being grandson is to cover up the fact that he was only 5 years old now, I was actually more hang up on why Cutlass is Tota’s little sister but not big sister, as typical experiment failure predate experiment success, the explanation could be that all 72 experiments were carried out at once in a batch, and Tota being the elder one because his numbering is higher than Cutlass,

odds of additional brothers and sisters appears in the story? better than 50% I wager.

one last thing about the important announcement, it is probably something good instead of something bad, things like cancelation usually just happened or announce in situ, instead of this blank announcement to build up expectation, but it may also not be a TV anime series, other possibilities include drama CD, manga OAD, etc. we will see, my expectation after all the anime adaptation of Ken’s work is rather low, beside, I don’t see a good break off point right now in the story for a TV series.

[DragonOsman]

If you think Touta calling Eva "my woman" is as expected, then why shoot down the possibility of ToutaxEva happening? Shouldn't the possibility still exist in this case?

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by DerGilga

But why should he? And given that the focus of UQ seems to be earth this time, how would the Marsian princess fit into it?

I really want to know how Touta's White of Mars will be important in MotB-chan's plans saving Earth.... maybe inverse Earth will be introduced? Inverse Earth, Venus, Sumerians, Shinzou, Yhwh... so many possibilities

Touta's goal is "saving the world". And since Mars and Earth's problems are inseparable now, to save Earth, he has to solve Mars's problems too, meaning find another way to stabilize it without using Negi's plan, return the wealth to Earth and free Asuna in the process.

[DragonOsman]

This is true. But in so doing, he'll also be undermining what Negi did. An example of how the sequel always undermines and makes less significant the achievements of the original series' hero. I'm not sure I like this since I actually do still like Negi.

[DerGilga]

Originally Posted by Hata

quick learner is a trait of BOTH Asuna and Negi. Tota's carefree/decisive character is definitely from Asuna, not Negi, unless you are talking about inter generation gene of Nagi from Negi.

I'm talking about his combat instincts, which were praised by Dana, Curtlass and some other people. I think they are part of the reason why Touta is such a fast learner. I don't remember Negi or Asuna ever being praised for being natural talents at combat.

Spoiler for 127:

people were commenting on the position Rakan’s body blocking Tota’s shots, apparently even Rakan’s groin is hard enough to take on TWO Tota’s punches?

I thought that was his hand.

Tota is a failure, then why he is being pursue and kill off at the beginning of the story? and if he is a failure why Fate wants him? now after a training section with the witch to control his black and white power, all of a sudden Tota is the only success? (and if he is a success why he is allow to run free many times in the story?)

• Touta is technically is a failure because the white and black are canceling eachother which makes it impossible for him to use magic. So he is the only one who got both traits, but they don't mix well so he is weaker than if he would only have one trait.
• The reason why he is the only one who has both traits may be connected to the identity of his 'parents'.
• Well for Fate or MotB-chan's party to hunt Touta, they must first know that he exists. Fate became aware of Touta's existence during the immortal hunter arc and MotB-chan at the end of Santa's arc. And shortly after they made their move to get Touta.
• Why he was killed at the beginning... no idea, but there is obviously a story to be told.

About the lacking story structure, yeah. It kind of lacks a natural flow.

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

Touta's goal is "saving the world". And since Mars and Earth's problems are inseparable now, to save Earth, he has to solve Mars's problems too, meaning find another way to stabilize it without using Negi's plan, return the wealth to Earth and free Asuna in the process.

Mars problem has nothing to do with the wealth of Earth. It is the lack of life on Mars' surface. Asuna is sealed to create a time buffer so that the new terraformed Mars can produce enough mana for inverse Mars. Touta can bring all the wealth back, as long as the plants remain there, it is not a problem. Also the fact that the independence war will probably play a role in UQ holder, waking Asuna up prematurely will cause the destruction of MW.

[dark44]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

If you think Touta calling Eva "my woman" is as expected, then why shoot down the possibility of ToutaxEva happening? Shouldn't the possibility still exist in this case?

that make me angry she isnt his she was in Negi harem before even he was created
it leave bad taste when some of the harem members end with some one else and this case son try to steal from his father

[DragonOsman]

You also bring up some good points about the Magic World and Earth. I guess we'll see what happens.

I haven't read Chapter 127 yet because I don't know where to read it, but right now I think DerGilga's points are more right.