School Days - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll [END]

[hipeach]

Originally Posted by smk

But, just by looking at 12, it was Kotonoha. So, really, Sekai's death wasn't as justifiable based on just looking at 12.

well, ep12 is part of the whole series, so you can't really just isolate it from the series. Like you said, if you only look at ep12, then Makoto's death is not justifiable for you neither. So in the end, Sekai's death is as justifiable as Makoto's death whether you choose to see it from the whole series, or just see it from only ep12 anyway.

Originally Posted by aohige

Makoto's genes destroyed?

Do you mean Tomaru's?
Which is, of course, impossible, since more than half of the characters in Overflow games share the same gene.
You think Makoto's evil... he's nowhere near as evil as his daddy.

I'd rather see Tomaru's death sometime. That man's gotta die.

well, even the 12 girls and the guy from Sister Princess are offsprings of Tomaru of course that's not officially canon yet

Tomaru is a sex beast, but he somehow has the power or charisma or alien brainwashing gene or whatnot to keep the girls happy and produce offsprings for him... Surprisingly I don't really have much against an alien supernatural sex beast, you can't do much to an incarnation of Zeus on modern Earth after all But Makoto... obviously his genes have mutated into something that hurt every girl in his presence, so his genes is the evil mutation

[Rembr]

Originally Posted by hipeach

Tomaru is a sex beast, but he somehow has the power or charisma or alien brainwashing gene or whatnot to keep the girls happy and produce offsprings for him... Surprisingly I don't really have much against an alien supernatural sex beast, you can't do much to an incarnation of Zeus on modern Earth after all But Makoto... obviously his genes have mutated into something that hurt every girl in his presence, so his genes is the evil mutation

The dude screwed his own daughter, and screwed HER daughter. At one point, the girl (one of his offspring) he got pregnant was so young, she died when she gave birth. HE SCREWED THAT OFFSPRING TOO.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by sniperz

from japan to france with a NICE Boat XD!

Fires a torpedo at nice boat effectively ending this travesty once and for all.

Originally Posted by hipeach

Makoto's genes must be thoroughly destroyed!!!

sigh I guess some people just can't distinguish between fiction and reality, guess that's why we had a nice boat episode last week and have pitch black blood (albeit I'm not surprised that Makoto and Sekai's blood are jet black ) Maybe we should ban the freedom of expression and all fictional works to satisfy some people

Naww we dont have to ban freedom of expression just shitty writing

Originally Posted by aohige

Makoto's genes destroyed?

Do you mean Tomaru's?
Which is, of course, impossible, since more than half of the characters in Overflow games share the same gene.
You think Makoto's evil... he's nowhere near as evil as his daddy.

I'd rather see Tomaru's death sometime. That man's gotta die.

yea there are way worse characters in the anime world than Makoto Tomaru i wont even start on him today.

[hipeach]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Naww we dont have to ban freedom of expression just shitty writing

yea, so in order to ban shitty writing, they must make a sequel where Setsuna MUST DIE!!! Preferably buthered by Kotonoha

[XxKawaiiAngelxX]

Originally Posted by hipeach

I think it's pretty obvious that "creative camera angle" means that Sekai IS pregnant and that's from the point of the view of the fetus by the anime creators.

Maybe everyone is just over thinking things and the creators just thought it would look cool if the "camera" angle was from inside Sekai. This isn't a show that requires alot of thinking to figure out the plot.

[hipeach]

Originally Posted by XxKawaiiAngelxX

Maybe everyone is just over thinking things and the creators just thought it would look cool if the "camera" angle was from inside Sekai. This isn't a show that requires alot of thinking to figure out the plot.

yeah, and thinking about medical technicalities and pseudocyesis (I doubt the anime creators even know this word ) is quite apparently thinking a bit too much

[U<3Anime]

I think i have figured out what Makoto's death was lacking. It was some....





SWIMMING LESSONS!!!!










Yep, thats probably why it wasn't satisfying enough.(Well, for me anyway)

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by hipeach

yea, so in order to ban shitty writing, they must make a sequel where Setsuna MUST DIE!!! Preferably buthered by Kotonoha

No killing Setsuna is not the answer taking out the entire school with a MOAB or an ICBM before whatever sickness the poor souls in this mediocre series pass it on. Just kidding i wouldnt really nuke it. No one really deserved to die it just happen to play out that way.

Makoto selfishness and inability make decisions and his lack of insight into others feelings and emotions lead to his fate.

Sekai dishonesty with her self and just about everyone else around her lead to her clinging to a false hope that she could change Makoto. Her low self esteem and co dependency problem which fixated on Makoto lead to her insanity. Her fate was sealed with that first kiss.

Katsuras inability to deal with reality and her co dependency which was just as bad as Sekai's lead to her mental break down. Honestly, If this were not fiction Katsura would mostly have had mental problems before she met Makoto. Her bullying at school and her lack of friends certainly cut deep into her psyche. Katsura situation could have happened regardless of what guy she with Makoto just happened to be the one.

If each one of these 3 thought towards the future a different path could have opened up. Each of the characters only thought about the here and now with whatever temporary comfort they received, with each of their first loves being their last. Shitty writing that depended on shock to propel the story to his gory end with no solving of any of the problems the writers themselves introduced. But the writers got what they wanted and bloodthirsty viewers got what they wanted. So i guess it was a win win?

[ApostleOfGod]

I just finished watching the series and man.. I think I saw me another KimiNozo..

There's a lot of compare and contrasts with School Days and other Drama/Romance anime such as KimiNozo, but School Days was really distinguished from the others with its special and scary ending. Yeah, I just finished watching it at 2:30 in the morning so it's kinda dark here and I'm scared :P anyways..

I was kind of hoping that somehow the anime would divert towards a happy ending, ultimately unfolding some missing puzzle piece in the anime and somehow making everyone happy or satisfying them. I slowly began to drift away from my expectations by spoiling myself with the 21 different game endings listed on Wikipedia of course . Not only that, but I pretty much gave up hope after I saw stupid Matoko let lust control his mind like a perverted lunatic. What I'm even more surprised about is how the girls (although this is just anime) actually consent to the demands of this insane person...

Now I don't really want to make references to reality, but I believe some of this stuff actually does happen in the real world. Perhaps not to this auspicious circumstance, but somewhere along the lines.

Regards to the script / writing.. I didn't think it was all that bad, but I have to agree with Sinestra on everything he/she mentions. The plot was pretty decent, jumping the spotlight upon many different characters, which lead to a serious amount of character development in such a short series. Btw, who would be considered the Protagonist/Antagonist of this anime? Lol haha..

[Nvis]

Remake possibility (like with diff. end)?

[Flame-X]

i gotta admit, this ending owned all the game's bad endings. XD

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Rembr

The dude screwed his own daughter, and screwed HER daughter. At one point, the girl (one of his offspring) he got pregnant was so young, she died when she gave birth. HE SCREWED THAT OFFSPRING TOO.

KILL THAT BASTARD! DROWN HIM!
gotta give overflow some credit for creating characters you love to hate

Originally Posted by Clamp-X

i gotta admit, this ending owned all the game's bad endings. XD

I was thinking along the lines of -

Makoto betraying kotonoha again and whilst doing his business with another girl sekai and kotonoha join forces to decapitate the happy yaro ~~

perfect end

[hipeach]

Originally Posted by ApostleOfGod

I just finished watching the series and man.. I think I saw me another KimiNozo..

There's a lot of compare and contrasts with School Days and other Drama/Romance anime such as KimiNozo, but School Days was really distinguished from the others with its special and scary ending. Yeah, I just finished watching it at 2:30 in the morning so it's kinda dark here and I'm scared :P anyways..

I was kind of hoping that somehow the anime would divert towards a happy ending, ultimately unfolding some missing puzzle piece in the anime and somehow making everyone happy or satisfying them. I slowly began to drift away from my expectations by spoiling myself with the 21 different game endings listed on Wikipedia of course . Not only that, but I pretty much gave up hope after I saw stupid Matoko let lust control his mind like a perverted lunatic. What I'm even more surprised about is how the girls (although this is just anime) actually consent to the demands of this insane person...

well, that is what makes this series relatively more realistic (but not real world realistic anyway) than most harem anime. There is no miraculous "missing piece" suddenly fitting in to bust the characters out of their problem. Really, if we have those miracles happening in real life, this world will already be Utopia. This is like KGNE where Haruka does not suddenly turn out to be super strong in the end, or Mitsuki goes a bit deepr haywire, or Ayane lost it some more, etc. We can easily get a Haruka jumping off a tower or Mitsuki killing Takayuki after her sex with Shinji stuff. It's everything we know what should happen to harems, but what no harem anime has ever dared to step into. So kudos School Days, for showing us what harems should really end up without those miracles. And how psycho those harem girls are, when they robotically fall for some moronic harem lead.

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

I was thinking along the lines of -

Makoto betraying kotonoha again and whilst doing his business with another girl sekai and kotonoha join forces to decapitate the happy yaro ~~

perfect end

And then they fight and buther each other, including Setsuna. Now that's perfect happy end

[otacu]

Originally Posted by hipeach

well, that is what makes this series relatively more realistic (but not real world realistic anyway) than most harem anime. There is no miraculous "missing piece" suddenly fitting in to bust the characters out of their problem. Really, if we have those miracles happening in real life, this world will already be Utopia. This is like KGNE where Haruka does not suddenly turn out to be super strong in the end, or Mitsuki goes a bit deepr haywire, or Ayane lost it some more, etc. We can easily get a Haruka jumping off a tower or Mitsuki killing Takayuki after her sex with Shinji stuff. It's everything we know what should happen to harems, but what no harem anime has ever dared to step into. So kudos School Days, for showing us what harems should really end up without those miracles. And how psycho those harem girls are, when they robotically fall for some moronic harem lead.

signed signed signed

This is revenge for all those happy-happy harem anime ending.

Not liking ep 12 is legit but those people can just go watch one of the 239985 different harem anime with cheesy happy ending. School Days is one of a kind so let us enjoy for once a different ending.

And btw in my view this was a Happy Ending indeed. People watching ep 12 were indeed happy .

[Cruel]

Emma Ai got to escort Makoto and Sekai to hell! Bwahahah!

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by XxKawaiiAngelxX

Sekai wasn't pregnant or she wouldn't have said "There's nobody inside you". I agree with Sheba Embryo's Don't have functioning eyes! I also agree with jphachiroku 's false pregnancy idea.

I prefer to give Sekai's pregnancy the benefit of the doubt. At this stade, the embryo is too small to be noticed, especially by night and from the point of view of someone who have gone uber loco and is not even a surgeon in the first place.

Oh man, Horatio Caine and his Sunglasses of Justice would have a field day with the two murders AND the second killer still alive who is drifting away on a NICE BOAT.
Or maybe Kotonoha would just die of thirst or starvation. I don't think she have enough sanity left to get supplies for her last boat trip. Think of that as her own suicide + viking funeral.

[Cruel]

Originally Posted by U<3Anime

I think i have figured out what Makoto's death was lacking. It was some....





SWIMMING LESSONS!!!!










Yep, thats probably why it wasn't satisfying enough.(Well, for me anyway)

Anything but that... Reminds me of the good old times that we had in Death Note! : P

[Silent Xenocide]

This episode was just too unbearable. While Makoto was a jerk and stuff, I mean, cutting of his head and then killing Sekai? Thats just too much for me. Its sort of funny how if you were to compare the first episode and the last episode if it werent for the same characters you wouldn't think it's even the same anime.

[hipeach]

okay, for all the Sekai's fake baby talk, if we really want to go to the medical and technical side of things, pseudocyesis takes time to develop, it's not like suddenly you want a child (or fear to have a child) you get pseudocyesis instantly. It takes time for that to happen, and Sekai surely doesn't have all that time.

Another thing is, unless Makoto or Sekai is infertile, the chance of her not getting pregnant after they have sex that frequently and unprotected is almost nil.

[Cruel]

@Baby Rants: It's just the viewer's own perception of what happened. We can fight about it all we want, but no one has any proof. It's not like we have the writers of the story on the phone-line!

There's no way we'll find out unless it somehow says it in the DVD. So let's agree to disagree! : P